From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Options menu Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:20:38 +0200 Message-ID: <01c52c6d$Blat.v2.4$713e68a0@zahav.net.il> References: <010e01c52c0d$ac93ede0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111230207 29704 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 11:03:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 12:03:26 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCbjj-0007ln-2t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:03:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCc0L-00061S-Gu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:20:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCbb0-0004np-6v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:54:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCbaP-0004mw-2S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:54:04 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCbX3-0004b1-Dt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:50:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DCb78-0003ig-NA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:23:26 -0500 Original-Received: from zaretski (IGLD-84-228-241-130.inter.net.il [84.228.241.130]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.6-GR) with ESMTP id ATZ65417 (AUTH halo1); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:23:23 +0200 (IST) Original-To: "Lennart Borgman" X-Mailer: emacs 22.0.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 2.4 In-reply-to: <010e01c52c0d$ac93ede0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> (lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34766 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34766 > From: "Lennart Borgman" > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:56:02 +0100 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Most applications I use on w32 have a "View" top menu. This was considered when the menu bar was restructured in preparation for Emacs 21.1. The conclusion, IIRC, was that View is generally inappropriate in a text editor, because it is not a program whose purpose is to show you something, in which case View selects what details you are being shown. > My gut also tells me it is unlikely that we will have a "View" top menu now. > However an "Appearance" sub menu with the same content will serve part of > the same purpose and will propably IMO feel logical for most users. If all Appearance does is be a parent for a few more-or-less unrelated options, then we'd be better off without it. When Emacs 21.1 was released, many users complained about the changed menu-bar structure, even though the new structure was generally better, certainly more standard-compliant, and had many useful additions. Still, they complained. There's a lesson to be learned here, IMHO: significant changes in the menu bar should only be done for a very good reason.