From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: backup method Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:08:56 +0200 Message-ID: <01c5042e$Blat.v2.4$728a4c40@zahav.net.il> References: <20050127000210.GA6167@boetes.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1106802960 14077 80.91.229.6 (27 Jan 2005 05:16:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 27 06:15:54 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cu20Y-00009p-00 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:15:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu2Ct-0000FF-Oy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:28:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu2Cl-0000F2-8K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:28:31 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu2Ck-0000EU-4y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:28:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu2Cj-0000E9-Uv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:28:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cu1xf-0006k4-P0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:12:56 -0500 Original-Received: from zaretski (IGLD-83-130-211-151.inter.net.il [83.130.211.151]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.6-GR) with ESMTP id AJV27365 (AUTH halo1); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:12:51 +0200 (IST) Original-To: Han Boetes X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 2.4 In-reply-to: <20050127000210.GA6167@boetes.org> (message from Han Boetes on Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:01:48 +0059) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32578 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32578 > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:01:48 +0059 > From: Han Boetes > > The default backup method is mv and then create a new file. That's > nice if you really want to keep the timestamp intact. But if you > use emacs with crontab -e you remove the tmpfile and since the > filedescriptor is still open your update to your cron is lost -- > without warning. It was pretty hard to discover why this happened. > > So I would like to suggest to make backup by copying the default. So you had a very specific problem, and you are suggesting to change the defaults of _all_ users just because of that one problem? I agree with Miles: the default backup method is a very natural thing to do. I don't think your special case is a reason good enough to change the default. At best, it's a reason for you to customize your Emacs.