From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [jerome.marant@free.fr: Re: Possible help with stable Emacs releases.] Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:27:04 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <01c4a7f5$Blat.v2.2.2$293546c0@zahav.net.il> References: <1096291271.415813c757a26@imp6-q.free.fr> <20040927134714.GA20012@fencepost> <87hdphx91c.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87655wswkv.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <01c4a6f8$Blat.v2.2.2$f6ef61c0@zahav.net.il> <20040930143404.GB2296@fencepost> <01c4a703$Blat.v2.2.2$9a627220@zahav.net.il> <1096559619.415c2c031623c@imp4-q.free.fr> <01c4a707$Blat.v2.2.2$99a73ba0@zahav.net.il> <1096571344.415c59d07b21c@imp3-q.free.fr> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1096662623 1465 80.91.229.6 (1 Oct 2004 20:30:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rlb@defaultvalue.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 01 22:30:15 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CDU2g-00018H-00 for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:30:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CDU99-0004Or-8b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:36:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CDU90-0004OT-Ek for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:36:46 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CDU8z-0004Nt-AA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:36:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CDU8z-0004Ne-1T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:36:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.15] (helo=balder.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CDU2S-0000xh-Ib for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:30:00 -0400 Original-Received: from zaretski ([80.230.152.90]) by balder.inter.net.il (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with ESMTP id DUR85399 (AUTH halo1); Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:29:54 +0200 (IST) Original-To: jmarant@free.fr X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 2.2.2 In-reply-to: <1096571344.415c59d07b21c@imp3-q.free.fr> (message from =?iso-8859-1?b?Suly9G1l?= Marant on Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:09:04 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:27788 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:27788 > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:09:04 +0200 > From: =?iso-8859-1?b?Suly9G1l?= Marant > Cc: rlb@defaultvalue.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > I've never said there wouldn't be any pretest phase. > I'm saying that pretesting a bugfix release is different from > pretesting a major release; it is shorter at least. Shorter in practice, yes. But since the process of pretesting is not a formal one, we don't have any ways to modify that process for bugfix releases. We simply let pretesters use the release candidate and report any problems. > I'll also in favour of test cases we can replay every time we > add new patches. Since emacs is able to run in batch, there is > no reason no to do so. Alas, there's no test suite for Emacs. We discussed this in the past, so you can find in the archives why it is difficult to come up with such a test suite (display testing is one problem). Of course it would be good to have such a suite, but we don't.