From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [jerome.marant@free.fr: Re: Possible help with stable Emacs releases.] Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:22:11 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <01c4a7f4$Blat.v2.2.2$7a27bd20@zahav.net.il> References: <1096291271.415813c757a26@imp6-q.free.fr> <20040927134714.GA20012@fencepost> <87hdphx91c.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87655wswkv.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <01c4a6f8$Blat.v2.2.2$f6ef61c0@zahav.net.il> <20040930143404.GB2296@fencepost> <01c4a703$Blat.v2.2.2$9a627220@zahav.net.il> <1096559619.415c2c031623c@imp4-q.free.fr> <01c4a707$Blat.v2.2.2$99a73ba0@zahav.net.il> <1096576951.415c6fb768430@imp3-q.free.fr> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1096662354 525 80.91.229.6 (1 Oct 2004 20:25:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rlb@defaultvalue.org, jmarant@free.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 01 22:25:37 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CDTyC-0000mw-00 for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:25:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CDU4e-0003iI-Gt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:32:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CDU4T-0003fh-IU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:32:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CDU4S-0003fG-MN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:32:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CDU4S-0003fD-JJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:32:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.24] (helo=legolas.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CDTxp-0008Sf-4g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:25:13 -0400 Original-Received: from zaretski ([80.230.152.90]) by legolas.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.3-GR) with ESMTP id CSP66570 (AUTH halo1); Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:25:03 +0200 (IST) Original-To: Stefan Monnier X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 2.2.2 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:35:59 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:27786 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:27786 > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:35:59 -0400 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rlb@defaultvalue.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > But if people think this change in the management of bugfix releases > > is a good thing, aren't they going to do everything for it to succeed? > > Let's clarify: we do propose to add more manpower for doing the > > "dirty job" (honestly, noone loves tracking bugs), but it will never > > work without a little cooperation from Emacs developers. > > Can I have a guaranty that I'll never be pissed off or ignored on > > blocking situations? ("go fuck yourself! You wanted to do the job, > > you'll have to do this without us!") > > I don't expect any such problem. The worst I expect is that you might > sometimes be prevented from installing a bugfix because it's not "good > enough" (which is something that happens all the time anyway). > Also sometimes things won't go as fast as you'd like. > > In order for you not to be frustrated, I think the best option is to take it > slow: after all, the process already exists, and you're just offering to > help out, so you can start by just systematically submitting the patches > that you'd like to apply to Debian's tree (so they get installed in RC), > then regularly bug people to remind them that we should get the next pretest > started, ... Full agreement.