From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rmail mbox-format branch Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:18:16 +0300 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <01c49717$Blat.v2.2.2$402ab840@zahav.net.il> References: <41406C46.6050505@pajato.com> <01c4969e$Blat.v2.2.2$d48c9a40@zahav.net.il> <20040909221947.GB11694@fencepost> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1094808052 13298 80.91.224.253 (10 Sep 2004 09:20:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pmr@pajato.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 10 11:20:44 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C5haG-0004TF-00 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:20:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C5hfd-0006ev-5F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:26:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1C5hfC-0006Tp-2c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:25:50 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1C5hf8-0006TM-KX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:25:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C5hf8-0006Sl-Ev for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:25:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.24] (helo=legolas.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C5hZW-00047T-TA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:19:59 -0400 Original-Received: from zaretski ([80.230.141.72]) by legolas.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.3-GR) with ESMTP id CNF00514 (AUTH halo1); Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:19:30 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: storm@cua.dk X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 2.2.2 In-reply-to: (storm@cua.dk) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:26948 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:26948 > From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:36:20 +0200 > Cc: Paul Michael Reilly , Eli Zaretskii , > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Miles Bader writes: > > > On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 09:56:16PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> OTOH, if we don't do this now, it will need to wait until a very > >> distant next release. > > > > Will the next release (after 21.4) be distant? > > > > I was envisioning just moving the unicode branch to the trunk about 5 minutes > > after 21.4 is released, and immediately going into testing for version 22. > > That was my understanding too. I don't think it's reasonable to hope for that. Experience shows that 21.4 will most probably be followed by a bugfix release 21.5, a month or two after 21.4 is out; if that happens, we cannot move 22.1 into a pretest before the bugfix release is out. Since we cannot know whether 21.4 will need a bugfix release, we will wait at least a month or so before we decide, which again doesn't allow 22.1 to start a pretest immediately. Experience also shows that a pretest of a major new release takes several months. 21.1 took more than 6 months, IIRC, and it was used by more people before the pretest than the Unicode branch is now. So I don't think 22.1 could be released before the end of next year, even with the most favorable assumptions. > If we hope for a 21.4 release in 2004 (rather than 2104), we should > probably NOT do that. One can hope, but I personally don't believe 21.4 will be out in 2004, again based on past experience. Perhaps it would be educational to compile and publish some representative statistics of how long it takes to get a release through a pretest.