From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:03:06 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <018401c4b787$82b53c40$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1098374643 31366 80.91.229.6 (21 Oct 2004 16:04:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:04:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 21 18:03:49 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CKfPo-00067X-00 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:03:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CKfXG-000281-RP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:11:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CKfX7-00025q-Te for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:11:22 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CKfX6-000254-Rm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:11:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CKfX6-00024t-Mm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:11:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.9.110] (helo=av3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKfPX-0007cH-Ge; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:03:31 -0400 Original-Received: by av3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id AE7A937E43; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:03:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.178]) by av3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B70537E42; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:03:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from sedrcw11488 (t5o58p74.telia.com [195.67.196.74]) by smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B6B8A38019; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:03:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: "Kim F. Storm" , X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28703 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28703 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim F. Storm" : Richard Stallman writes: : : > Most other applications manage just fine to allow a user to use : > mouse-1 for both setting the point, marking a region, and following a : > link. : > : > How do they do this? Could you describe the behavior pattern : > of Mouse-1 in those applications? : : If you click mouse-1 outside a link, it moves the cursor. : : If you click on a link, it follows the link. : : If you drag inside or over a link behaviour varies with the : application, but my suggestion for emacs is that it highlights the : text and sets point at the end of the drag. This is the behaviour of the most common web browsers (like Firefox). I think most other applications have tried to mimic this behaviour and I believe that is good. Consistent behaviour across applications as far as possible without sacrificing too much is what most users seems to want. Firefox does not allow selecting by dragging inside a normal link (an a-tag), since this is preserved for dragging the link. In Emacs there is currently no need to drag a link as far as I know so Emacs could allow selecting by dragging inside a link too. Some further points about mouse use: I mostly use the keyboard and in Emacs I mostly found that I do not like the mouse behaviour or that it is inconsistent. Maybe it is because I am still using 21.3.1 or maybe it is because I am running Emacs on ms windows, I do not know? Here is how it works in Emacs Info for me: * For link at the top: If i click with left button it follows the link. If I click with right button nothing happens. I can't drag inside a top link. * For a link on the page: If I click with with left button point moves. If I click with right button region is selected selected and highlighted (even though I started with bin/emacs.exe -q --no-site-file??). I would be glad for more consistent behaviour both within Emacs and between Emacs and the most common applications. - Lennart