From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:31:24 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <016f01c48a10$f6081090$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> References: <001401c478de$908a92d0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <1091508072.20683.201576204@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4111491A.4090601@runestig.com> <4111D8D4.1040506@runestig.com> <1091693906.8538.201741376@webmail.messagingengine.com> <001d01c47afa$c1f5f170$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <003e01c48946$a8ebfad0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <011201c48a06$469eb6e0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1093375860 19964 80.91.224.253 (24 Aug 2004 19:31:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 24 21:30:46 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bzh0H-0007Qn-00 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:30:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Bzh4o-0001Gx-57 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:35:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Bzh4e-0001Gr-KD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:35:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Bzh4d-0001Gf-V1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:35:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Bzh4d-0001Gc-Jt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:35:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.10.112] (helo=av5-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bzgzy-00055z-N7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:30:27 -0400 Original-Received: by av5-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E11E237EC5; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:30:24 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.182]) by av5-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CC737EAF; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:30:24 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from sedrcw11488 (t5o58p153.telia.com [195.67.196.153]) by smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BF3B037E4E; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:30:22 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: "Stefan Monnier" , "Emacs Devel" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:26451 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:26451 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Monnier" > I guess it depends on what you want to do in default.el. I've just always > found it harder as a user when I was given a place (such as .emacs) where > I had to take into account future changes (as in: set toto here so that > later code in default.el will change foo to bar) as opposed to being > provided a state (setup by site-start.el) and being able to change it > directly without havnig to know or worry about what might come later. > > But without more concrete details, it's difficult to discuss this. Ok, I believe we think the same way. What I want to do is just add some things to make it more easy to get started using Emacs for an ms windows user: 1) Gnuserv is loaded 2) Some windows specific printing entries to the menus since printing otherwise tends to be a problem when you start with Emacs on ms windows. I also remove the unix-related printing entries from the menus because they do not work or do not work as you expect them to. Of course I make this as customization options. 3) I also offer some keyboard tweaks (CUA-mode, swbuff.el tighed to C-tab) that can be good for an ms windows user. It is of course also in this case very important that they are customization options. 4) recentf.el are also added, most ms windows programs has something like this. If no one has a good objection I will load things from default.el then. I will do this by loading one file only from default.el to not clutter default.el. - Lennart