From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ben Wing" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: RE: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 03:20:42 -0700 Message-ID: <014501c4e4eb$3af838d0$0300a8c0@neeeeeee2> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1103365519 14165 80.91.229.6 (18 Dec 2004 10:25:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, andy@xemacs.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 18 11:25:10 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cfblt-0008CI-00 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:25:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CfbwE-00062Q-WA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:35:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cfbuy-00060D-7T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:34:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cfbuv-0005yW-6y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:34:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cfbuu-0005xP-Vq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:34:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [68.230.240.27] (helo=lakermmtao12.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cfbhi-0005GY-Hn; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:20:50 -0500 Original-Received: from neeeeeee2 ([68.0.135.100]) by lakermmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041218102048.NSIR1659.lakermmtao12.cox.net@neeeeeee2>; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:20:48 -0500 Original-To: , "'David Kastrup'" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31255 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17497 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31255 > The people who consider these issues for Debian have arrived=20 > at an extremely strict and mechanical way of interpreting=20 > their criteria, which I think is very mistaken. >=20 > The FSF made this decision years ago, and it is not an open=20 > question now. Could you please move the discussion to=20 > gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org? This is COMPLETELY relevant to this list, because the bottom issue is [a] XEmacs forked and kept the identical license [b] 3 or 4 years ago -- i.e. 9-10 years after the XEmacs fork -- you = changed the license in a way that it cross-incompatible. [c] I made a simple request -- will you cross-license the manual for us? [d] you said no. This is totally relevant to GNU Emacs. Richard, please reconsider. You have a reputation of antipathy towards XEmacs. If you're at all interested in mending fences a little, this = would be a very easy step -- simply declare that we are allowed to use the = code under our license (which was your license up through 2000 or so). = Otherwise you give the impression of actively hindering the XEmacs project. ben