From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "grischka" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gtk scroll bar deficiency Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:46:04 +0200 Message-ID: <013001c7af43$0627f4e0$560690d4@j4f3n1> References: <002201c7ae61$5d13fc00$d10990d4@j4f3n1><87lkemki35.fsf@ambire.localdomain><00b701c7aea8$72403de0$4a42fe91@j4f3n1> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181908176 21980 80.91.229.12 (15 Jun 2007 11:49:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stefan Monnier" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 15 13:49:35 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HzAJ4-0001ae-4q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:49:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzAJ3-0008Pg-OK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:49:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HzAIO-0007w6-Lf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:48:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HzAIO-0007ve-0q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:48:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzAIN-0007vY-QY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:48:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HzAIN-0000q0-68 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:48:51 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Jun 2007 11:48:49 -0000 Original-Received: from dialin-212-144-006-086.pools.arcor-ip.net (EHLO j4f3n1) [212.144.6.86] by mail.gmx.net (mp052) with SMTP; 15 Jun 2007 13:48:49 +0200 X-Authenticated: #18588216 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ZsO5jtIEZ5A4uNTfFX2bZRUIAXfKhKoh2VnwXNo AnrteoOQzWZNXF X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72949 Archived-At: > The size and position of the thumb is a bug. But it's a bug which is only > present with some toolkits because those toolkits make it particularly > difficult for Emacs to do it right. So difficult that nobody has been able > to do it yet. Cool, like in 'Sleeping Beauty'. Who is going to kiss the lady? > For Xaw3d I tried to do it in Emacs, with lots of work I got > a very mixed result. Then I turned to the Xaw3d code and I fixed > the whole thing by removing three lines (lines which are absent > from Xaw, I should mention). Gtk/Motif and other toolkits enforce > similar constraints for no technical reasons: just ideological ones. Maybe your overestimating. It wasn't likely done to make your life harder or anyone's. > If these ideological > reasons had to do with freedom and ethics, I could respect them, > but GUI-dogma is not something for which I have any respect. Sorry. > > Stefan Come on, it's not GUI-dogma. It's just that they want their work of art to look exactly the same on everyone's computer. --- grischka