From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Rant on ... Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:31:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <0120c6c0-abe0-4545-acc9-8b170107bd18@default> References: <20161117204729.GA3461@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1479418314 23868 195.159.176.226 (17 Nov 2016 21:31:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:31:54 +0000 (UTC) To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 17 22:31:48 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c7UHc-0005ha-Le for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 22:31:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33353 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c7UHg-0000Pa-1j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:31:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59891) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c7UHZ-0000PR-Am for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:31:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c7UHW-0007rQ-4y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:31:45 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:19199) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c7UHV-0007qe-TN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:31:42 -0500 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id uAHLVawf008577 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:31:37 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id uAHLVaoP019529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:31:36 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id uAHLVZEJ004894; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:31:35 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209462 Archived-At: > But perhaps there should be a command toggle pretty-printint the > line under point? The pretty-printed version of the line could be > "expanded" under the line. That would be nice... 1. Yes. 2. And another key to toggle expansion of `...' everywhere. 3. And explanation in `C-h m' help of how to configure Emacs to show all by default (so toggling changes to `...'). 4. And toggling expansion/contraction everywhere in the buffer should not toggle it everywhere else. IOW, debug mode should have its own variable for this, and not just reuse a global *-print-length-* or whatever setting. 5. FWIW, I too am annoyed by the `...'. But I am even more annoyed by the byte code that is still in backtraces: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D6991