From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:26:08 +0100 Message-ID: <00ea01c508ae$34589740$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> References: <87lla8xdps.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <008801c508a4$01110ac0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <200502012211.j11MBnj02899@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107297903 6991 80.91.229.2 (1 Feb 2005 22:45:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, rms@gnu.org, abraham@dina.kvl.dk, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 01 23:45:02 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw6lS-000789-NF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:44:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw6yS-0003l5-AO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:58:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw6vu-0002kP-FD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:55:42 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw6vl-0002hZ-Jr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:55:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw6vk-0002e7-FU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:55:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [81.228.9.110] (helo=av3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cw6bW-0007vU-P9; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:34:39 -0500 Original-Received: by av3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 1293C37E48; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:34:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.178]) by av3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0342537E42; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:34:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from sedrcw11488 (t1o58p200.telia.com [62.20.164.200]) by smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E7D2038003; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:34:35 +0100 (CET) Original-To: "Luc Teirlinck" , X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32733 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32733 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luc Teirlinck" > I believe that you were confusing with the defcustom form, which does > not override an already set value (_unless_ the :set function does so) > and its default :initialize function `custom-initialize-reset', which > nevertheless executes the :set function _even_ if the value is already > set. Could you please take this a little bit more precise? I vaugely remember the discussion, but not the details. It looks to me that there is a mixing of things. Why should :initialize execute :set if it only is for the purpose of initializing something, but not actually setting the symbol value? Should not that code then be in :initialize?