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From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
To: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
Cc: Felician Nemeth <felician.nemeth@gmail.com>,
	Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eshel Yaron <me@eshelyaron.com>,
	John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org>, Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>,
	Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@fastmail.fm>
Subject: Re: Adding support for xref jumping to headers/interfaces
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:45:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <00b85d5b-7878-4099-ab44-8200e153885d@gutov.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALDnm52XGdbhjKR_4+xGWNex3H4QvN1rXxWheJQeSazGVc_Wtg@mail.gmail.com>

On 28/11/2023 11:51, João Távora wrote:
>> I'm wary of using macros as framework/library interface in Elisp because
>> unless they are very stable, they can cause versioning problems when
>> upgrading or reverting to an earlier version. You change a macro, but a
>> dependent package is already installed and byte-compiled, and there
>> won't be a recompilation until its next update. We might not even intend
>> to change them much, but then you don't always anticipate a bugfix.
> BTW, these tangents and distractions are possibly what Eli complained
> about when trying to follow this discussion about xref, but in the
> interest of Lisp programmers out there, what you describe is both a
> very real problem and a problem which is trivial to eradicate.   Just
> expand to functions.  Here's a general form of a command-defining macro
> suitable for a library interface.
> 
> (defmacro mylib-define-command (name &rest margs)
>     `(defun ,name (&rest args)
>         (interactive (mylib--interactive ,@margs))
>         (apply #'mylib--doit args)))
> 
> Then you can freely change the implementations of mylib--interactive
> and mylib--doit in mylib.el.
> 
> And there are tricks to concoct the docstring at
> consultation time too (see 13.2.4 Documentation Strings of Functions)

That's a good practice, and it works (and mitigates the issues) until we 
need to change the underlying function, for some reasons or other. In 
that sense, having the expansion use private functions (with "--" in the 
name) doesn't do much because those cannot be safely renamed, extended, 
etc. Unlike when they're called by a public function.

Anyway, adding such macro is even less of a priority concern than the 
addition (or not) of new key bindings. We could always do it later.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-28 12:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 204+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-24 19:56 Adding support for xref jumping to headers/interfaces Spencer Baugh
2023-02-24 20:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-24 21:29   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-27 23:12     ` Stephen Leake
2023-02-27 23:34       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-28  0:18         ` Yuan Fu
2023-02-28 16:05           ` Filipp Gunbin
2023-03-01  4:33             ` Richard Stallman
2023-03-01 12:50               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-01 17:51                 ` John Yates
2023-03-04 18:54                   ` Stephen Leake
2023-03-04 22:24                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-05  6:11                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-05 12:06                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-07 22:41                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-08 14:58                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-08 18:23                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-08 19:49                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-08 20:15                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-09  6:13                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-09 13:04                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-09 15:36                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-09 16:53                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-09 17:31                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-09 17:37                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-16 21:10                                                 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-05-17 11:46                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  1:53                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-20 15:31                                                     ` João Távora
2023-06-22 19:22                                                       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-06-23  5:52                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-23 14:37                                                           ` Spencer Baugh
2023-06-23 14:53                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-23 15:03                                                         ` João Távora
2023-06-28 13:31                                                           ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-04 22:43                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-04 22:00                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-04 22:24                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-04 22:29                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-04 22:36                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-04 23:20                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-04 23:16                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-04 23:21                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-04 23:24                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-04 23:27                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
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2023-11-07  9:36                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-07 22:56                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-08  0:14                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-05  8:16                                                     ` Eshel Yaron
2023-11-07  2:12                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-07 17:09                                                         ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-07 23:02                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-07 21:30                                                         ` Eshel Yaron
2023-11-07 23:17                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-08  0:21                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-08  0:33                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-08  1:19                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-08 22:58                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-08 23:22                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-08 23:34                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-09  0:50                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-09 16:59                                                                           ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-09 20:44                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-09 21:11                                                                               ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-10 10:06                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-10 12:02                                                                                   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-10 13:59                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-10 17:36                                                                                       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-11 10:45                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11 11:17                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-11 12:38                                                                                           ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-11 20:49                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15 21:32                                                                                               ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-24  1:37                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-24 21:43                                                                                                   ` Felician Nemeth
2023-11-25  2:20                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-26 16:08                                                                                                       ` Felician Nemeth
2023-11-26 20:15                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-26 20:37                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-27 14:35                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-27 15:03                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-27 15:45                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-27 16:04                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-27 16:23                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-27 16:41                                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-27 17:05                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-27 17:09                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-26 20:40                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-27 14:43                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-27 14:49                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-27 15:01                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-27 15:19                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-28  0:18                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-28  9:51                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-28 12:45                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2023-11-28 15:02                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-28 16:32                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-28 17:16                                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-28 17:25                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-28 18:38                                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-27 15:28                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-27 16:37                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-27 16:45                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-27 17:40                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-27 18:26                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-27 20:50                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-27 20:53                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-26 20:30                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-27 15:17                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-27 15:45                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-27 16:04                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-27 16:27                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-27 17:22                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-27 17:46                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-27 18:12                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-27 23:25                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-28  0:30                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-28  0:43                                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-11  1:01                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:04                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11 11:30                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-11 21:01                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-12 18:40                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-13  0:27                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-13  1:03                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-13  1:05                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-13  1:16                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-13  1:41                                                                                                   ` electric-pair-mode vs paredit, was: " Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-13  1:53                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-11  0:58                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11 11:44                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-11 21:37                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-12 18:59                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-13  1:37                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:08                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11 11:22                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-11 20:54                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-08 16:11                                                               ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-08 17:20                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-08 17:40                                                                   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-08 23:08                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-09 16:52                                                                       ` CCing thread participants through gnus+gmane Spencer Baugh
2023-11-10 15:51                                                                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2023-11-10 16:18                                                                         ` Visuwesh
2023-11-09 17:07                                                                       ` Adding support for xref jumping to headers/interfaces Spencer Baugh
2023-11-11  0:07                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11 12:39                                                                           ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-11 20:45                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-08 23:06                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-07 16:51                                                     ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-07 23:30                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-08 17:25                                                         ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-09  0:08                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-09  0:26                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-09  1:06                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-11  0:16                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-09 17:57                                                             ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-11  0:42                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11 13:00                                                                 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-12  1:50                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-12  2:08                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-12  2:09                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-12  2:25                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-13  1:02                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-13  1:24                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-03-01 15:00               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-02-28 21:40           ` John Yates
2023-02-28 21:53             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-28 22:44               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-03-05  9:59 ` Helmut Eller
2023-03-05 12:03   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-05 15:57     ` Helmut Eller
2023-03-05 16:33       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-05 17:19         ` Stephen Leake
2023-03-05 20:10   ` João Távora
2023-03-05 20:32     ` João Távora
2023-03-05 20:40       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-05 21:04         ` João Távora
2023-03-05 21:21           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-05 21:48             ` João Távora
2023-03-05 22:08               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-05 23:00                 ` João Távora
2023-03-05 23:40                 ` John Yates
2023-03-06 12:22                   ` Felician Nemeth
2023-03-06 13:15                     ` João Távora
2023-03-06 13:23                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-06 13:38                         ` João Távora
2023-03-06 13:46                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-06 13:52                             ` João Távora
2023-03-06 13:50                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-07  7:15                             ` Yuan Fu
2023-03-07 19:58                               ` Felician Nemeth
2023-03-07 20:44                                 ` Yuan Fu
2023-03-07 21:03                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-06 14:09                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-06 14:15                     ` John Yates
2023-03-06 14:23                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-06 14:43                         ` John Yates
2023-03-10  0:57                     ` Ergus
2023-03-10 21:55                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-10 22:18                         ` João Távora
2023-03-10 22:25                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-11 11:50                             ` João Távora
2023-03-10 23:45                         ` Ergus

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