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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163636 Archived-At: Jan answered your question right before you asked it. On 24 Sep 2013, at 13:48, Lennart Borgman = wrote: >> ...The OSX equivalents to C-c, C-v, C-x. C-z (i.e. Cmd-C, Cmd-v, = Cmd-x, Cmd-z) and more already work as they do in other OSX applications = in Emacs.=20 >=20 > I see. I had no idea of that. What do people use for copy/paste etc in = other applications on OSX? Is there another standard? To reiterate, in macosx, those commands use the Command key (also called the `clover key' in older macos versions) instead of Control. It's next to the space bar, and labelled both `command' and =E2=8C=98. = On macosx, Emacs already uses these key combinations, as Jan mentioned. I'll admit that I was tempted to say this before, but decided that internet communication, Windows- versus macosx- versus unix-habits, first-language differences, and a general desire to assume the better rather than worse in the community changed my mind. I hope that helps, ~Chad=