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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: <dann@ics.uci.edu>
Cc: 'Stefan Monnier' <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: position on changing defaults?
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:35:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <009401c87fb0$81cd34a0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200803061711.m26HAYS6005892@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu>

>   > FWIW, I see no need to change any defaults in this 
>   > regard. Someone who programs in Lisp (where paren matching
>   > is important) will have no trouble finding and customizing
>   > these things.
> 
> Huh?  AFAIR many languages other than lisp use parens quite a bit... 

"Huh?"  (What is that, the latest way to put people down? HUH? Whaddaya,
stupid? Nuts? HUH? ;-))

Dan, I don't care whether you change the default or not. As I said, I use
show-parent-mode, personally. I see no need to change the default, but I
don't care if you do change it. Fiddle away.

But yes, paren matching is more important to Lisp than to most other
languages. And yes, paren matching can also be important to other languages,
besides Lisp.

There is nevertheless a qualitative difference between Lisp and most other
languages in this regard, in particular because its data and program
syntaxes are the same (and use parens).

Try editing Lisp code without automatic indenting or paren matching. It's no
accident that those features were developed first for Lisp. It's a nightmare
to edit Lisp without some such aids. The same is not true to the same degree
for most other languages. 

I programmed in Fortran for years without paren matching, and I never would
have dreamed that such a feature could be important to coding. If you had
proposed to me back then that Fortran code have its matching parens
highlighted I would have said, "Huh?".





  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-06 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 256+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-05  6:37 position on changing defaults? Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-05  7:02 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05 13:33   ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05 14:54     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-05 15:44     ` Drew Adams
2008-03-05 19:25       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 19:38         ` Drew Adams
2008-03-05 21:55       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05 15:34   ` Drew Adams
2008-03-05  9:55 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-07  3:37   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 15:02 ` Bastien
2008-03-05 19:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 22:30   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-05 23:15     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  3:49       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06  4:10         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  4:30           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-07  3:35           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  3:38       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 23:28     ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06  3:58       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06 10:07         ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06 11:37           ` René Kyllingstad
2008-03-06 16:20         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 19:11           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06 21:13             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09  1:00           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-06 16:14       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 17:52         ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06 18:25           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-07  0:35             ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-07  3:38       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09  1:46         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09 16:40           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-06 16:13     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 16:37       ` Drew Adams
2008-03-06 17:09         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06 17:35           ` Drew Adams [this message]
2008-03-06 20:38             ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-06 20:40               ` Drew Adams
2008-03-06 21:33                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-06 21:36                   ` Drew Adams
2008-03-09  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-06 18:10       ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-06 19:44         ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-07  0:43           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09  1:00       ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-07  3:38     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  3:48       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-07  4:07       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 17:40         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 18:08           ` Gregory Collins
2008-03-09  0:27             ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  0:36               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09  0:43                 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  1:10                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09 23:08                   ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-11  1:00                     ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-11  6:06                       ` Drew Adams
2008-03-09 21:51                 ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09 22:34                   ` Drew Adams
2008-03-10  0:29                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-10  0:57                       ` Drew Adams
2008-03-11  1:00                 ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-11  1:00               ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09 20:53             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 18:15           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 21:09           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09 16:39             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 17:55               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09 22:24                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10  0:30                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-10 22:29               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-08 19:11         ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-08 19:26           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 19:54             ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-08 20:03               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 20:28                 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-08 23:41                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09  0:04                     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-09  0:18                       ` Stephen Eglen
2008-03-11  1:00                         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-11 10:44                           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 12:22                             ` Tassilo Horn
2008-03-11 14:39                               ` ido-mode (was Re: position on changing defaults?) Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 16:14                                 ` ido-mode Tassilo Horn
2008-03-09  0:27                       ` position on changing defaults? Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09  0:36                         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  9:51                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-09 16:40                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11  1:00                         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-07 12:21       ` paul r
2008-03-11  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-07  3:38   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 20:43 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-05 23:30   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-05 23:45     ` Bastien
2008-03-05 23:54       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06  0:00         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-06  0:10         ` Bastien
2008-03-07  3:38       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 23:46     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  0:21       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06 10:58       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-07 23:14         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07 23:27           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  0:40             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-09  2:18               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08  1:24             ` deactivation in "shift-select" mode Miles Bader
2008-03-08  2:22               ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-08  3:11                 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  3:27                   ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08 17:26               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 20:53             ` position on changing defaults? Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 21:58               ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09 22:34               ` Shift-movement selection (was: position on changing defaults?) Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 23:00                 ` Shift-movement selection Miles Bader
2008-03-09 23:57                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-10  0:06                     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-10 16:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10 16:25                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10  3:37                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10  4:11                     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-10 14:38                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10 15:06                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-10 16:23                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10 16:40                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11  9:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 18:40                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12  0:19                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 10:06                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 17:51                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 22:06                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 23:59                                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-13  0:07                                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-13  8:28                                               ` tomas
2008-03-11 22:42                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-11 22:38                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11 23:31                               ` David Kastrup
2008-03-11 23:46                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-12  1:35                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12 15:11                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 15:11                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 15:54                               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 17:39                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-12 20:03                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 22:00                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-13  1:06                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-13  2:00                                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-10 22:32                         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-11 18:38                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-11  9:24                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 17:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 18:40                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-11 20:25                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 20:41                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-12 15:11                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 22:33                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-06 16:46       ` position on changing defaults? Stefan Monnier
2008-03-07  2:08         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  6:28           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 17:40         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 19:08           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 18:07         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 20:09           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 16:40             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 22:22               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 22:56               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:17                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11  9:25                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 10:24                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 16:02                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-09 20:53           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  3:38     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 23:52   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-06  0:34     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  1:00     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-06  1:18       ` Bastien
2008-03-06 17:07     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-08 17:40       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 19:12         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 16:40           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 22:35             ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:11               ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Drew Adams
2008-03-09 23:36                 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:46                   ` CUA mode's C-RET binding Miles Bader
2008-03-09 23:50                   ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-10  0:00                     ` CUA mode's C-RET binding Miles Bader
2008-03-10  0:18                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-10  0:02                   ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Drew Adams
2008-03-10 10:13                     ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-10 13:47                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-10 14:32                         ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-10 14:53                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11  0:07                             ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-11 20:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 20:50                                 ` CUA mode's C-RET binding Manoj Srivastava
2008-03-12  0:37                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-12 15:12                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 17:30                                     ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-03-12 20:21                                       ` Dangerous shell commands? (was: CUA mode's C-RET binding) Reiner Steib
2008-03-12 21:23                                         ` Dangerous shell commands? David Kastrup
2008-03-13  0:14                                         ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-03-11 14:44                         ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Mathias Dahl
2008-03-11 15:09                           ` Drew Adams
2008-03-13 11:20                             ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-13 17:26                               ` Drew Adams
2008-03-11  9:25               ` position on changing defaults? Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 19:25       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 20:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-08 23:38           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 23:51             ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  2:32             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 16:39             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 16:11             ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-11 10:28               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 20:56       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09  8:38         ` Making the command loop mode-dependent [was: position on changing defaults?] Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-07  3:38     ` position on changing defaults? Richard Stallman
2008-03-07 10:50       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09  2:18         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09  2:40           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09 22:06             ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 22:13               ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09 22:15               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 23:44                 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:57                   ` Miles Bader
2008-03-10  1:00                   ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-10 17:16                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 10:35                     ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 18:31                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12  0:19                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12  9:56                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 14:03                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12 23:56                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13  1:52                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-13  2:01                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13  2:31                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-13 16:57                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-14  2:55                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-14  9:51                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13  7:45                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13 12:45                                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-13 13:28                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13 20:39                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-13 21:55                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13 23:56                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-13 22:24                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-13 22:47                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-13 22:49                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 16:44                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-13 23:30                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13 15:41                             ` Chong Yidong

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