From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:19:36 +0100 Message-ID: <008801c508a4$01110ac0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> References: <87lla8xdps.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107293393 24519 80.91.229.2 (1 Feb 2005 21:29:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, Drew Adams , Per Abrahamsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 01 22:29:52 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw5ac-0004d8-SC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:29:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw5nc-0002uz-B5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:43:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw5kn-0001Dd-VP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:40:10 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw5kf-00017s-SZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:40:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw5kd-00014V-64 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:39:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [81.228.9.110] (helo=av3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cw5Sr-0001cU-Lk; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:21:37 -0500 Original-Received: by av3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E2D2D37E53; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:21:36 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.178]) by av3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D392E37E44; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:21:36 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from sedrcw11488 (t1o58p200.telia.com [62.20.164.200]) by smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BEE1138006; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:21:34 +0100 (CET) Original-To: "David Kastrup" , "Stefan Monnier" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32726 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32726 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kastrup" > Wrong. Customize does not touch variables that have been set outside > of it. Whether the set-default is executed before or after customize > initializes its variables does not matter. The only difference is > that if it is customized before, custom-set-variables will call the > :set function (after the fact), something which does not happen > otherwise. Can you please give an example of this? I just tried to test with (setq debug-on-error t) and then M-x customize-option, debug-on-error. The customize GUI worked and I could change and save debug-on-error. There seem to be something I do not understand. Maybe you are referring to what custom-set-variables does when custom-file is loaded?