From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ben Wing" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: RE: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:19:14 -0700 Message-ID: <008201c4e629$893e0fd0$0300a8c0@neeeeeee2> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1103502099 5472 80.91.229.6 (20 Dec 2004 00:21:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 00:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, bob@rattlesnake.com, stephen@xemacs.org, andy@xemacs.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 20 01:21:31 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CgBIp-0004C7-00 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:21:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CgBTF-0004zE-3B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:32:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CgBSY-0004uJ-AD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:31:34 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CgBSX-0004tJ-0P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:31:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CgBSW-0004sg-Ih for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:31:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [68.230.240.30] (helo=lakermmtao09.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CgBGx-0002mH-T8; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:19:36 -0500 Original-Received: from neeeeeee2 ([68.0.135.100]) by lakermmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041220001933.MPTL1713.lakermmtao09.cox.net@neeeeeee2>; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:19:33 -0500 Original-To: "'David Kastrup'" , "'Paul Pogonyshev'" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31278 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17519 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31278 > Which is the FSF's choice. The difference is that XEmacs has > decided not to bother about assignments and stuff, and due to > that decision they don't have such a general cooperation to > offer in a manner useful for Emacs. In contrast, the FSF > still has the choice to licence the Emacs manual under > different free licences because they bothered about the > assignment, and they bother about licences. You seem to think that it is the duty of XEmacs to do whatever is necessary to assure that GNU Emacs can use its code, even to the extent of hindering the development of XEmacs itself. In fact, if we had insisted on such a policy, we could not have gotten the sorts of corporate assistance (Sun, Amdahl, INS Engineering and others) that we got.