From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: customizing key definitions with Customize Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:58:56 -0700 Message-ID: <007401c8b7b0$cdf17660$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <000301c8b39e$ded16a50$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><003701c8b438$9d6e9f20$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><87r6c75brc.fsf@jurta.org> <87od79sttq.fsf@jurta.org> <002701c8b646$afedc3a0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><004a01c8b72b$1361c370$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <8663teuo1o.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1210982419 15214 80.91.229.12 (17 May 2008 00:00:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 00:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'David Kastrup'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 17 02:00:56 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jx9r5-00034A-D1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:00:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55915 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jx9qM-0002WQ-2e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 May 2008 20:00:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jx9pN-0001ht-Uo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 May 2008 19:59:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jx9pM-0001h4-8K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 May 2008 19:59:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33581 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jx9pM-0001h1-0J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 May 2008 19:59:08 -0400 Original-Received: from agminet01.oracle.com ([141.146.126.228]:24808) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jx9pE-000810-7T; Fri, 16 May 2008 19:59:00 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.110]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id m4GNwu80004536; Fri, 16 May 2008 18:58:57 -0500 Original-Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id m4GNwtPt010932; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:58:55 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3674487801210982333; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:58:53 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.65.168) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:58:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <8663teuo1o.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Aci3ft/iONRjyW6fRziirgxrnpcC7wAMAVSg X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:97305 Archived-At: > > I can see some use value in not always presenting a user, by > > default, with a complete keymap to customize. That's all. That > > doesn't mean we couldn't also provide a way for a user > > to go ahead and customize the whole keymap. I'm thinking of > > user convenience and possible confusion. > > > > Perhaps you are right. I think that the first task is to define the > > mechanism so it can implement both modes. Then we could > > decide which of the two modes should be the default. > > The problem with customizing the whole keymap is that it should shake > the modifications out and store just the difference against > the default map. Otherwise, any modifications of the defaults by the > package authors will not picked up. I agree with what each of you has said here. > Also we use the keymaps to store toolbar and menubar data, and we do > that in a precomputed manner. That's not something we want > to throw at the user by default. I'm not sure I understand completely what you mean, but I think I agree with that also. I do think, though, that it will be good, in general, to be _able_ to let users customize menu bindings for at least some keymaps.