From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Options menu Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:51:55 +0100 Message-ID: <006901c52c9b$bcf6c890$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> References: <010e01c52c0d$ac93ede0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <01c52c6d$Blat.v2.4$713e68a0@zahav.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111248261 10498 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 16:04:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 17:04:21 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgQy-0003SZ-QL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:04:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCghh-0006zr-16 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:21:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgdu-0004Pq-Tx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:17:39 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgdl-0004KG-SG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:17:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgdk-0004G2-OA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:17:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [81.228.10.113] (helo=av3-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DCgG5-0000Qx-Ni; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:53:01 -0500 Original-Received: by av3-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id F123E37E5A; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:53:00 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.182]) by av3-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18AA37E51; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:53:00 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from sedrcw11488 (t2o58p19.telia.com [62.20.165.19]) by smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E1BD637E4C; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:52:59 +0100 (CET) Original-To: "Eli Zaretskii" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34776 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34776 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Zaretskii" > > Most applications I use on w32 have a "View" top menu. > > This was considered when the menu bar was restructured in preparation > for Emacs 21.1. The conclusion, IIRC, was that View is generally > inappropriate in a text editor, because it is not a program whose > purpose is to show you something, in which case View selects what > details you are being shown. I think that "View" here mostly is a synonym for "Appearance". In for example Firefox View menu the main items are: Toolbars, Status Bar, Sidebars; Stop, Reload; Text Size, Page Style, Character Encoding; Page Source, Full Screen. So if that was the reason not to have a View top menu then it might be time to rethink? > When Emacs 21.1 was released, many users complained about the changed > menu-bar structure, even though the new structure was generally > better, certainly more standard-compliant, and had many useful > additions. Still, they complained. There's a lesson to be learned > here, IMHO: significant changes in the menu bar should only be done > for a very good reason. This can be compared to that users of the perhaps most common office software suite said that the restructuring of the menus in the different applications to make them more similar was one of the things they liked the best in the 2000 release. They all have a View top menu now.