From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Please add a "Guided Tour" menu command Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:44:57 -0800 Message-ID: <005b01c93ec6$95168ea0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <87ejpc3ilr.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <878wwen09k.fsf@jurta.org> <87wsfjtl0s.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225835192 24469 80.91.229.12 (4 Nov 2008 21:46:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:46:32 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Jason Spiro'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 04 22:47:35 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KxTkJ-0005kB-Jw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:47:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60410 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxTjC-0000pI-E6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:46:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxThN-0007w4-4L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:44:29 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxThK-0007ss-CE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:44:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40598 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxThK-0007si-7S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:44:26 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]:22529) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KxThK-00069E-BP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:44:26 -0500 Original-Received: from agmgw1.us.oracle.com (agmgw1.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.212]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id mA4LiKVY003155; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:44:20 -0700 Original-Received: from acsmt706.oracle.com (acsmt706.oracle.com [141.146.40.84]) by agmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id mA4LiJEg009492; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:44:20 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.83.246) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:44:19 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ack+xSZeWLhR52sgTH6uWP/5NeHqwwAAECYg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:105371 Archived-At: > The reason the tour is called a "tour" is because it is > more of a whirlwind tour of Emacs' modes than a tutorial > on how to use each mode. Yes, they have different purposes: 1. Tour: giving you an idea of what you can do with Emacs. 2. Tutorial: helping you get started learning how to use Emacs. #1 is about learning what; #2 is about learning how. > I am not 100% sure but I suspect the tour covers everything > the tutorial covers, plus more. The tutorial is not meant for "coverage". It's meant to lead you by the hand, to get you started: learning some basics by doing them. > I think the tutorial should be removed from > Emacs, and replaced with the tour. This flies in the face of your first statement that they have different purposes. One cannot replace the other without changing the aim. The tutorial should not be replaced by the tour. But it should be improved. That can of worms was explored before, so we can leave it closed for now.