From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: choice for the new emacs icon Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:38:51 -0800 Message-ID: <005001c87194$57c313c0$2d58908d@us.oracle.com> References: <200802050135.m151ZGDH005052@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu><87hcg9juvs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203273627 6776 80.91.229.12 (17 Feb 2008 18:40:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: , "'Bill Wohler'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 17 19:40:50 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JQoRV-0006Q1-9C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:40:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JQoR0-0005xs-UE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:40:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JQoQt-0005xG-Nt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:40:11 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JQoQs-0005we-15 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:40:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JQoQr-0005wb-Rc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:40:09 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JQoQn-0004PB-Kl; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:40:05 -0500 Original-Received: from agmgw1.us.oracle.com (agmgw1.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.212]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m1HIe2wY018072; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:40:03 -0700 Original-Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by agmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m1HIe1LX026359; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:40:02 -0700 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3577464601203273518; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:38:38 -0800 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.88.45) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:38:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchxaP55D+fFus3BR6Kx54OCqihCEwAJvdFw X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89379 Archived-At: RMS> Maybe we should go back to the kitchen sink icon. RMS> It was the funniest of all the Emacs icons. Sure. It could be given a new look (?) (but not a newer sink). Go forward, not back, but keep the spirit. Why not be frivolous or impudent instead of designerish? It really doesn't matter much what icon we use. But the less professional, serious, and business-like the better, IMO. Let's lighten up, and not try to look classy (for the icon). If it somehow made a humorous statement about software freedom, without being verbal (it's an icon) or preachy, then that would be a plus. Put something on desktops all over the world that steps out of or upsets the global corporate mindset a bit. Not offensive, but offbeat, or at least back beat. That's Emacs - a different drum. The mushroom had a lot going for it, too. Stood for unbounded imagination (if not outright hallucination), in my book. No flames, please - I'm OK with the 22.1 icon, the proposed round-button icon, the retro sink icon, a new mushroom, abstract art, or anything else. If we could get away with (ab)using the golden arches or some other corporate logo in an Emacsy way, I'd probably vote for that. Whatever it is, keep it simple. DK> I don't think [the kitchen sink] properly reflects DK> the end user polish we have taken pains to apply to DK> Emacs in the last decade or so. Right. It's just an icon. It doesn't need to have end-user polish. Emacs needs to have good end-user behavior, but it doesn't need to have an icon that "properly reflects" that. Emacs is free. And it's quite improper, if you ask those who are proper.