From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Getting more info on a variable in Customize buffers Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:30:40 +0100 Message-ID: <004d01c4f42e$a6b8ac10$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> References: <003e01c4f371$34df4d00$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1105045027 10760 80.91.229.6 (6 Jan 2005 20:57:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: abraham@dina.kvl.dk, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 06 21:56:49 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cmega-0004br-00 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:56:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cmert-00082o-Dc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:08:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cmerg-00081D-Uy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:08:16 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cmerg-00080v-7D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:08:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cmerg-00080r-0e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:08:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [81.228.9.109] (helo=av3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CmeIA-0008Pf-A4; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:31:34 -0500 Original-Received: by av3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 9545B37EDE; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:31:33 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.178]) by av3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A9F37E44; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:31:33 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from sedrcw11488 (t5o58p74.telia.com [195.67.196.74]) by smtp1-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 27FEB38008; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:31:32 +0100 (CET) Original-To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31976 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31976 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Stallman" > One very useful way to get good info is to watch a beginner use custom > and say "please report anything you don't like AND anything that isn't > obvious how to use". If a few people could do this with their > friends, over the coming weeks, that could potentially show us how to > make Custom more natural. We may need to wait till after the release > before actually making the changes, but we will do it sooner or later. Positive feedback is not too bad either ;-) I should say that using imagination is very good. Try to get into the state where you understand what is (or will) happening inside the "user". What could change that? Since we may often be busy coding the ideas we already have it might be difficult, but taking that time is useful! Maybe you can also do this alone? Try to have a look at how the customize GUI actually look now and frame your imagination inside that.