From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: breadcrumbs for Info . . . . . . Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:55:15 -0700 Message-ID: <004201c8cd5d$1baa0900$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <009d01c8cb55$13d53e20$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><87fxrkltma.fsf@jurta.org><00ae01c8cb71$c26aeef0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><873ankqou6.fsf@jurta.org><00d901c8cbc9$7df36fb0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><87tzfzk331.fsf@jurta.org><00a501c8ccdd$93328720$c2b22382@us.oracle.com><002401c8cd1f$98631650$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87hcbxd8t8.fsf@ambire.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213365435 26747 80.91.229.12 (13 Jun 2008 13:57:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Thien-Thi Nguyen'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 13 15:57:57 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K79lx-0002DS-JJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:56:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41393 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K79l9-0006Me-O5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:56:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K79l4-0006MT-EC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:56:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K79l0-0006LI-ON for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:56:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43977 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K79l0-0006LE-Lt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:55:58 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]:47234) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K79l0-0003w0-Aq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:55:59 -0400 Original-Received: from agmgw1.us.oracle.com (agmgw1.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.212]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m5DDtoaZ031546; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:55:50 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by agmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m5D5exkb025691; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:55:49 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3692297031213365314; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:55:14 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.5.171.3) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:55:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87hcbxd8t8.fsf@ambire.localdomain> Thread-Index: AcjNMfLCKN+HiAS8TT6oVystW/vp1AAKXhYw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99095 Archived-At: > You can think of the breadcrumbs line as part of an extended > header area. (And you might even want to remove the Up link > from the header now, since it is no longer needed - the > breadcrumbs subsume Up.) > > To me this says that breadcrumbs should be grafted onto Up, > rather than being a separate feature. From user pov, the NEWS > would not be: > > New Info sub-feature: breadcrumbs [...] No one suggested that. No one has suggested anything for NEWS, AFAIK. > but rather: > > New Info sub-feature: Info "Up" extension. MB3 on the "Up" link > now displays a menu which lets you "navigate" (urgh) directly to > an ancestor node of the current node. From the keyboard, there > is a new command Info-skip-up, which queries you (w/ completion) > for an ancestor node to jump to... [etc. The idea is that mouse > or keyboard eventually do the same thing.] Whatever. RET on a link works as usual, so mouse and keyboard do the same thing. > Bias note: personally, i dislike features that use screen space. > If there is another line taken for breadcrumbs, i will find a way > to remove it. I proposed more than once to add a user option for showing breadcrumbs. Personally, I think it should be optional but on by default. You shouldn't have to "find a way" to remove it - that should be as easy as customizing an option. If someone wants to implement it, optionally not showing breadcrumbs could provide behavior like you describe (MB3 shows a breadcrumbs menu,...). Go for it.