From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Feature request: dired-open-marked-files Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:47:55 -0700 Message-ID: <003a01c9a542$5a95c880$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <003801c9a538$dc4a2c90$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><871vszcmki.fsf@catnip.gol.com><003901c9a53c$27fe5550$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87prgjb6jr.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1237103283 25593 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2009 07:48:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:48:03 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Miles Bader'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 15 08:49:20 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Lil5z-0002gJ-6T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:49:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34276 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Lil4c-0006rE-Uo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:47:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lil4Y-0006qQ-5s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:47:50 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lil4R-0006pa-OL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:47:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55136 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Lil4R-0006pX-MK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:47:43 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com ([148.87.113.125]:40255 helo=rgminet13.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lil4O-0003Ll-NV; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:47:40 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n2F7moRb003834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:48:52 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt702.oracle.com (acsmt702.oracle.com [141.146.40.80]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n2F7ldNj022482; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:47:40 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.4.133.20) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:47:34 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87prgjb6jr.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Thread-Index: AcmlPihV9971cLiUQia0jUQ+FpUUswAAEzAg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt702.oracle.com [141.146.40.80] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.49BCB298.0114:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:109634 Archived-At: > > Dunno what's so controversial. I've always wondered, on the > > contrary, why the Dired X features are not loaded and made > > available by default. > > I've not examined them all in detail; let's just say that > some of them seem obviously useful and not dangerous, e.g., > `dired-jump' and `dired-do-find-marked-files' (I've seen the > latter functionality requested several times recently on > #emacs), whereas others seem less useful, and maybe don't > merit a keybinding by default (e.g., `dired-man'). > `dired-vm-read-only-folders' probably shouldn't be there, as > VM isn't distributed with emacs or really all that commonly > used (and for a long time, didn't even officially support > non-xemacs). > > But I generally agree with you. At the least, the split into > dired and dired-x seems arbitrary and deserves re-examination. Now it sounds like we agree. There are some commands that I don't find useful (for my own needs) - I'd add `dired-info' and `dired-rmail' to those you mentioned, for instance. Dunno whether someone else might find such commands useful. Rather than having a predefined command (e.g. `dired-info', `dired-rmail') - let alone a key, that just calls an Emacs function (e.g. `info' or `rmail') on the current file (or the marked files), it might be good to have a key/command that reads an Emacs function (even a lambda form) to apply to the file(s) - a la `!' but for an Emacs function instead of a shell command. The dired/dired-x split was long ago. Looking at the Commentary, it seems it was not a split but just a decision not to merge dired-x into dired. Back then, things like load time and memory might also have played a non-negligible role in such decisions. (Meme combat for dired-aux.el.)