From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: position on changing defaults? Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:57:43 -0800 Message-ID: <003301c88249$bf66ada0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu><200803052230.m25MUORx001881@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu><200803070407.m27471TG016558@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfg4u7p.fsf@catnip.gol.com><200803090036.m290a4oW020277@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu><8763vv654o.fsf@jurta.org><002f01c88235$c50c14c0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87tzjf8lqq.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205110761 8927 80.91.229.12 (10 Mar 2008 00:59:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Juri Linkov'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 10 01:59:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JYWMi-0008Ij-GR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:59:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYWMA-0000W2-B0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:59:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYWM4-0000TN-QO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:59:04 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYWM3-0000Qj-4O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:59:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYWM2-0000Qa-Tg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:59:03 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JYWM2-0002Y7-GT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:59:02 -0400 Original-Received: from agmgw1.us.oracle.com (agmgw1.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.212]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m2A0wx2A021543; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:59:00 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by agmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m2A0wxgw030424; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:58:59 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3605806531205110684; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:58:04 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.112.116) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:58:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AciCR4QQHP8t+gIaRwORBKx+smTghAAASfcA In-Reply-To: <87tzjf8lqq.fsf@jurta.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91970 Archived-At: > >> Yes, it is powerful, but like suggested packages radically > >> changes the default behavior that most Emacs users are > >> accustomed to. > > > > Sorry, I can't follow. What is powerful? What suggested > > packages?... What's the point/question? > > I was referring to the similarities between the *Completions* buffer > and pull-down lists that allow completions, and just like > Icicles is the superstructure over the *Completions* buffer, ido > is the superstructure over the minibuffer, and iswitchb is the > superstructure just over the C-x b minibuffer with buffer names. > Though all they significantly > change the underlying default user interface. Well, I still don't understand, but thanks for trying. ;-) I don't agree, BTW, with your characterization of the various "superstructures", except the part about them all changing the default UI. Icicles, for example, is not about the *Completions* buffer - you need never even show it. It is about completion, which is about minibuffer behavior more than anything else. I'd just say that all three libraries you mentioned change or extend the completion behavior from the default one, in different ways.