From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: position on changing defaults? Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:44:23 -0800 Message-ID: <001d01c87ed7$c96fb9b0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87r6epnvmh.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204732067 24740 80.91.229.12 (5 Mar 2008 15:47:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:47:47 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Miles Bader'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 05 16:48:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JWvoh-00039j-0W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:46:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JWvo9-0002jv-Jd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:45:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JWvnm-0002OE-0E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:45:06 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JWvnk-0002MI-L4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:45:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JWvnk-0002M9-8m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:45:04 -0500 Original-Received: from agminet01.oracle.com ([141.146.126.228]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JWvng-0005iO-3Y; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:45:00 -0500 Original-Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id m25FivAd002908; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:44:57 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m255wYql002020; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:44:57 -0700 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3600721701204731859; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:44:19 -0800 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.74.81) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:44:18 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87r6epnvmh.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Thread-Index: Ach+xZJn90M57w8OQpWivPRZo/tmMAAEBr1A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91388 Archived-At: > BTW, the one of those which I consider a no-brainer is `ibuffer' -- > though it has many more useful features than `list-buffers', the > interface seems almost 100% compatible, so I don't think it > would cause any problems (in fact I suspect many people would > not even realize it had replace list-buffers if nobody told them). > > There are a few random interface tweaks that might be done to ibuffer, > e.g. using a header-line for the column headings, but I suspect > they're almost trivial. I don't agree that ibuffer subsumes list-buffers, and I don't want ibuffer to replace list-buffers as the binding of C-x C-b. I would prefer that we discuss some of the features that you or others like from ibuffer, and we then adapt list-buffers to include those features that we agree on. list-buffers has a better UI, IMO. If we want some of the ibuffer features, then list-buffers is the place to add them. I'm not against merging the two, keeping the best of each. And this is not the thread for such a discussion.