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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'paul r'" <paul.r.ml@gmail.com>
Cc: 'Juri Linkov' <juri@jurta.org>,
	'Chong Yidong' <cyd@stupidchicken.com>,
	"'Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)'" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
	'emacs- devel' <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: Usability suggestion : completion for M-:
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:52:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <000a01c88786$1ed8ef00$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e30f0f320803160400r1f881076sab2c00d31bbc98ca@mail.gmail.com>

> > I said, "M-TAB or ESC TAB".
> 
> M-TAB is not an option in *most* of recent systems. And, honestly, who
> wants to complete with Esc-Tab ? Drew, could you please try to
> temporarily use *only* ESC-TAB, and tell us how usable you find it.

FYI, I have been using *only* ESC TAB "temporarily" for over 2 decades. I
guess I don't see a problem with it (for me), so far. ;-)

And as Ralf pointed out, you can use `C-M-i' as a chord alternative. 

What is so hard about these bindings? On my standard US PC keyboard, there
is only one key between ESC and TAB. It's true that C-M-i is a 3-key chord
that might require you to stretch a little or use two hands, but is this
really a big deal? 

Is it a big deal for _most_ people, so we should change the default?
(Individuals can always rebind keys.) I doubt it, or we would have changed
the binding long ago.

And I see from Emacs Wiki that you yourself have recently gone to the
trouble of, in effect, making TAB TAB complete a symbol (whenever the code
is already indented) - "using the second tab key press for what is bound to
Alt-Tab". If ESC TAB is so bothersome to you, is TAB TAB really that much
better? (Yes, I realize that your TAB TAB is configurable to do alternative
things, but that is what it seems to do out of the box.)

Why add a third binding for lisp-complete-symbol? Why take away the
possibility of using TAB for something more in line with its use for other
minibuffer input?

And, again, if a different or additional binding is needed for
lisp-complete-symbol, that pertains to Lisp modes generally, not
specifically to M-:.






  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-16 16:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-13 17:30 Usability suggestion : completion for M-: paul r
2008-03-13 18:04 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13 21:16 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-13 21:32   ` paul r
2008-03-13 21:45     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13 23:32 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-13 23:49   ` Drew Adams
2008-03-21  5:21     ` Drew Adams
2008-03-14  8:52   ` paul r
2008-03-15 21:36   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-15 23:35     ` Drew Adams
2008-03-15 23:43       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-16  8:12         ` Drew Adams
2008-03-16 11:00           ` paul r
2008-03-16 11:21             ` Ralf Angeli
2008-03-16 16:52             ` Drew Adams [this message]
2008-03-16 12:27           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-16 16:50             ` Drew Adams
2008-03-16  0:17       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-16  8:11         ` Drew Adams
2008-03-16 10:48           ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-16 12:22             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-16 13:36               ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-16 10:56           ` paul r
2008-03-16 16:49             ` Drew Adams
2008-03-16 18:42               ` paul r
2008-03-16 19:56                 ` Bastien
2008-03-16 20:22                   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-03-17  2:52                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17  4:07                     ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-17 13:32                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17  9:32                     ` paul r
2008-03-17 19:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-18  9:19                       ` paul r
2008-03-19  2:53                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-19 16:28                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-19 18:16                             ` paul r
2008-03-19 19:25                               ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-16 18:49               ` paul r
2008-03-16 12:31           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-16 16:50             ` Drew Adams
2008-03-16 20:06         ` Bastien Guerry
2008-03-22 21:14     ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-23  2:30       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-23  5:54         ` Drew Adams
2008-04-09 20:42 ` Paul R
2008-04-09 21:20   ` Drew Adams
2008-04-10 23:12     ` Juri Linkov

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