From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: C-M-TAB stand-in for M-TAB, on MS Windows? Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:28:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c8bf88$4500ffd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <007901c8bec5$4179df80$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><3F8C7B43-05C3-4970-91DA-73152E9286E8@pobox.com><483AE253.1010208@gmail.com><000001c8bf4e$ef90aed0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><4C2301B3-884A-4FB3-A221-F80414C04535@pobox.com><000401c8bf5f$a6337e50$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1211844621 23272 80.91.229.12 (26 May 2008 23:30:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 23:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, "'Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)'" , 'John Paul Wallington' To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 27 01:31:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K0m9d-0003Tm-Gk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 May 2008 01:31:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52641 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K0m8s-0005Hl-6v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:30:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K0m8n-0005HY-5n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:30:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K0m8l-0005HA-Mx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:30:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53022 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K0m8l-0005H7-De for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]:13285) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K0m8l-0002kl-5z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m4QNU3jn009614; Mon, 26 May 2008 17:30:03 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m4QNU1xg023587; Mon, 26 May 2008 17:30:02 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3680839881211844521; Mon, 26 May 2008 16:28:41 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.5.171.3) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 26 May 2008 16:28:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Aci/bP4RNh5QTC39RL6EMY1YG/FgTQAF46HA X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:97764 Archived-At: > > Better to fetter Windows by default than Emacs. IMO. > > > > One app's fetter is another app's free. > > Oh, did I just call Windows an app? > > The problem is that it overrides a Windows-global setting in > a non-consistent way. If you like it, by all means use it, but as > a default I think it'd be a mistake. How so "non-consistent"? `w32-register-hot-key' seems to act quite consistently, affecting its KEY argument everywhere, at all levels. Is that not the case? Besides, the Emacs manual explicitly recommends to users that they "change any" Windows shortcuts "that get in the way of use of Emacs" - see node Symbol Completion. If that's what we recommend, then why don't we do it for them, as the default behavior? Why don't we practice what we preach to users? And any user who wants to go against that recommendation/default could still do so.