From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Release update Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:19:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c964d7$341d9530$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <001901c96489$97132040$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><002201c96493$e7a9ba00$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <20081223.084237.92333145.wl@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1230020413 25367 80.91.229.12 (23 Dec 2008 08:20:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, eliz@gnu.org, sdl.web@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Werner LEMBERG'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 23 09:21:20 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LF2Vy-0003O3-0r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:21:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59347 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LF2Ul-0001kj-2C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:20:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LF2Ug-0001k8-Dd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:19:58 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LF2Ud-0001j6-Uc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:19:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45585 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LF2Ud-0001j1-MS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:19:55 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:19359) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LF2Ub-0003yq-69; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:19:53 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mBN8JNsL019481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:19:25 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt706.oracle.com (acsmt706.oracle.com [141.146.40.84]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mBN8JtSV000350; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:19:56 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.5.135.148) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:19:44 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20081223.084237.92333145.wl@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Aclk0gb+hraD0FMqQxaki11G2GJo9gAATnlw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt706.oracle.com [141.146.40.84] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.49509F22.01F0:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:107229 Archived-At: > > That's exactly the behavior I see in Lennart's vanilla builds. It > > either takes quite a long time or it comes up immediately. I was > > thinking that it usually takes a long time, but trying now several > > times in a row, it looks like it's about 50-50. Same thing for > > Lennart's build. > > A wild guess: We have experienced a similar slowness at startup for > lilypond, caused by fontconfig which rebuilt the cache files each > time. The solution was to untick `Automatically adjust clock for > daylight saving changes'. More can be found in this thread: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-user@gnu.org/msg42261.html Wow. Interesting. I tried that, and the problem immediately "went away". And it's still gone after checking the box again. For the moment, I have "Automatically adjust..." checked again, and there is still no problem. I'll try again some other day, and see if the problem really went away. Before now, I've seen the problem systematically - every day. Maybe just unchecking, then rechecking that check box took care of the problem. That would be good. If only it worked for the bugs too. ;-) In the thread you cite, I see this: "forcing a rebuild results in the same delay you're experiencing every time unless the automatic clock adjustment is turned off for the first run." That makes me think that unchecking the check box, then starting Emacs 23, then checking the box again will keep the problem fixed (which is what I seem to see). That seems to say that it's enough that the automatic adjustment be turned off "for the first run", which I guess in my case is for the first time that I start Emacs 23. And later posts in that thread also suggest that it's OK to turn the check box on again. BTW, I'm running XP (SP3), FWIW, but apparently Vista also has this problem. Veritable voodoo. If this truly is the problem and the fix needed, then perhaps it should be cited in the FAQ, if it can't be prevented altogether. The thread mentions a patch for fontconfig that fixes the problem - perhaps Emacs could use that too. Here is a summary of the problem, from that thread: "seems that the problem occurs if the cache is first built during a daylight saving period when the system is set to automatically adjust the clock for daylight saving." Thx! Very cool. The whole thread is interesting, BTW.