From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58459: Getting a fresh emacs session with no customisation Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 02:02:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: <1M2WN8RSJh3rnvRYoGKu2FOYFosKFsYxRLesaZKzA6dmdXLvGsxZNON-D3zRMgv-FkPqF2qFTurWu3u2ruoKK1QSzHheoICPo2MIi7VR6lc=@proton.me> <0geQIvut8pm1-9SAaI008CzSdp1E-IUa3kruCxKwrH66Gg92tJgKScNSDWJwuueXmV78tcULC_N_c9LG5MADKiD3_AjkXcNQTMQ6soTqIlc=@proton.me> <3gN0Jqr94UeUj3xJtDV3zGvZVbUyjtQFAloYxrdvwN_ZHa3tEUYyFv8h3VcYYSk_gxgMaaBW94kAkaAUCgbd9QKZMkkYJBty-7XOadbzHHQ=@proton.me> Reply-To: uzibalqa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24131"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Phil Sainty , 58459@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 13 04:04:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oina6-00065M-Cr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 04:04:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37566 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oina4-0000PI-SR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:04:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53034) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oinZq-0000P9-Lo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59591) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oinZq-00008l-E2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oinZp-00005a-U3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:04:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: uzibalqa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 02:04:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 58459-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58459.166562658932745 (code B ref 58459); Thu, 13 Oct 2022 02:04:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58459) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2022 02:03:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58669 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oinYy-0008W5-Kg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:03:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4324.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.24]:57163) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oinYv-0008VZ-D8 for 58459@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:03:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1665626579; x=1665885779; bh=aVI1uHidQFrl6NNtJOf4i8uDYzofeYypm++Te1ZKgaQ=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=d1JZDd2I5WrMHwC1EeiawOXe0eGHDH9+EjrlEKl+wHSuAVKhJaO76CUdmEoEUcW0l +AIUttJQ4eYMP6cY31gb3LZFr6Zoukcy2k7UoM3kEjJqiFmRxPhObXwPqcWwVOUeDZ Ox97diVmUZnGkZelRfuMiIkBunv0PY7XLT6A33ijxOCvfPyrnvYxLcU7JJkg121ZmB i//AosqLDTVfEDTc7tAhIG5lmOaOb6B9dJz5LIalFWK339E7FUqDI96CkBs+iNQ5MW Bnbfw9egXOfW+O2i8onkBzgKwkAl8dzYNIZAgHM8qQH5A5i+Hs9RJjOG9Xu3xhNMw+ IQlTkA0SYDyvg== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245258 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, October 13th, 2022 at 1:14 AM, Stefan Kangas wrote: > uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me writes: >=20 > > > > I am continually amazed how unreactive emacs maintainers can be to > > > > users. Either shaming them, make them look stupid > > >=20 > > > Wow? This discussion has been between you and Stefan Kangas, and at > > > no point has Stefan been anything other than polite and informative! > >=20 > > Early on in the discussion, the response was immediately "notabug > > close thanks". But perhaps you are right and I am being excessive. > > Nevertheless, I am yet to be convinced how this resource thing is > > straightforward. >=20 >=20 > Please do not take us closing bugs personally. We have thousands of > open bugs, and we try to handle them based on objective criteria. Fine, but when this happens on Trisquel, then it is a topic of concern. Ar= en't maintainers supposed to work together? Most times everybody works independ= ently with almost no concern or collaboration. =20 > > > > but then months or years later, it gets recognised they were right > > > > all along. >=20 >=20 > X resources are of course a rather esoteric feature these days, to most > users. There's a reason they're not used all that often any more. But > we will never stop supporting them, as this stuff has been that way for > decades. >=20 > > Looks that "internal-set-lisp-face-attribute-from-resource" is doing th= e work. > > So if emacs does not not even find an emacs init file, why does it star= t launching > > them. >=20 >=20 > Again, I think Emacs behaves correctly here. It's good to hear that > using `inhibit-x-resources' fixes your problem. I wonder the rational behind considering x-resources as authoritative. As you mentioned, these days x-resources are a rather esoteric feature. Your design should be the other way round. With a flag `enforce-x-resources= '. So one always gets vanilla emacs with no init file, or when the init file does nothing, or something goes wrong. It is very easy to make an init fil= e fail when one is writing emacs functionalities and packages. =20 > > Something must be going on, perhaps in the distro or desktop environmen= t that could be > > using something outside the traditional X11 approach to loading Xresour= ces. Or something > > else. > >=20 > > I am using one of the Official Gnu Distributions (Trisquel 9). These sy= stems should work > > well together with Gnu Programs. At least, it is always said things are= planned to be this > > way. >=20 >=20 > Then you should investigate why this happens in your environment. > If you find any bugs, you should report them to the appropriate people. > If you find that it is indeed a bug in Trisquel, then it is not correct > to report it here, as we can't do anything about it. Will inform Ruben about it. =20 > But note that it is good form to make sure that there is a bug before > reporting one. I would ask in some support forum first. It is also an emacs bug from my point of view. Especially when you confirm= =20 that x-resources are not used all that often anymore.=20