From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19479: Disclaimer is now on file at FSF Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:09:57 -0500 Message-ID: References: <0ylhjngoxs.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5j6SB8Hmg5euoiN2VLa1iolGVWZxTvwQ1LnsgFUQiDZ@local> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1424898679 18475 80.91.229.3 (25 Feb 2015 21:11:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19479@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Kelly Dean Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 25 22:11:10 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YQjEb-0001Bj-2m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:11:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56373 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YQjEa-0001On-B1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:11:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60245) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YQjEW-0001Og-0e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:11:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YQjEU-0007ft-RP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:11:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:54485) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YQjEU-0007fp-O7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:11:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YQjEU-0004D7-Fo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:11:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19479 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: security Original-Received: via spool by 19479-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19479.142489860716114 (code B ref 19479); Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:11:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19479) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2015 21:10:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58083 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YQjDa-0004Bp-Ff for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:10:07 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:51108 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YQjDU-0004BH-D2 for 19479@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:10:04 -0500 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YQjDR-00082S-VJ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:09:58 -0500 X-Spook: sniper basement explosion underground Audiotel White X-Ran: Yj!r%Wq,{}|^\o%N@:sj?bZaO>H0i3Ek:{>~2Z6KKSC/3PR;By~>\}4W4Sod&ZQD X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: <5j6SB8Hmg5euoiN2VLa1iolGVWZxTvwQ1LnsgFUQiDZ@local> (Kelly Dean's message of "Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:02:09 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:99825 Archived-At: Kelly Dean wrote: >> So, I don't want to get into this discussion, > > And yet you chose to dig it back up, even after everybody else was > satisfied that it was resolved more than a month ago. I've been largely on a break from Emacs. I always thought there was something strange here, and I just happened to get motivated enough now to ask assign@gnu for clarification when I saw patches were still arriving. > The copyright clerk's exact words on January 20th were, =E2=80=9FWe've > accepted the public domain disclaimer and added you to our records", > not =E2=80=9Fwe've accepted part of the disclaimer, but rejected another > part". I specifically mentioned you by name in the question I asked assign@gnu, and the reply I got (one day ago) was, in totality: Disclaimers are not valid for future contributions. Thanks for checking = in. Like I said, you can take it up with them if you disagree. I'be glad to be corrected, but it all seems pretty clear to me. I am not trying to be the bad guy and I am not out to get you. I applied several patches from you and would have been happy to apply more. I am just trying to ensure Emacs follows the FSF's procedures, which seem pretty clear to me. Vibhav Pant wrote: > Well, what about > http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnulib.git/plain/doc/Copyright/request-a= ssign.future? > This is the form to request documents for assigning past and future > works, which according to you isn't possible. That's not what I said. I said: I am told *disclaimers* cannot apply to future changes. You will note that there are separate documents for *assigning* past changes (request-assign.changes), and past-and-future changes (request-assign.future). But for *disclaimers* there is only request-disclaim.changes. There is no request-disclaim.future. If you read http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnulib.git/tree/doc/Copyright/request-disc= laim.changes it quite clearly states that it only applies to past, finished changes. I am not a lawyer (AFAIK, neither is anyone else on this list) and have no interest in discussing why these things are different. They just are. I said the first time we went through this that it was my understanding that disclaimers worked this way. I said it again here: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-01/msg00198.html I have now had this confirmed by assign@gnu. If you (the generic you) want to contribute to Emacs, there is a well-defined, simple procedure that hundreds of people have followed with no problem. If you don't want to follow the procedure, then fine, that's your prerogative. Then you can't contribute. But please don't start arguing with us about what the procedure is, or should be, or what you think a judge might say, or why you need to be an exception. We don't set the rules here at Emacs, and it just isn't a productive use of anyone's time.