From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58459: Getting a fresh emacs session with no customisation Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 17:51:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: <3gN0Jqr94UeUj3xJtDV3zGvZVbUyjtQFAloYxrdvwN_ZHa3tEUYyFv8h3VcYYSk_gxgMaaBW94kAkaAUCgbd9QKZMkkYJBty-7XOadbzHHQ=@proton.me> <87fsfsc9af.fsf@yahoo.com> <83o7ufafow.fsf@gnu.org> <83edvbae5a.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: uzibalqa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31738"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, psainty@orcon.net.nz, 58459@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 13 19:52:11 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oj2NO-00086Z-VW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 19:52:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43048 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oj2NN-0002lb-St for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:52:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47458) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oj2NG-0002lO-Tj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:35816) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oj2NG-0002iT-Lu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oj2NG-0000UM-BT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:52:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: uzibalqa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 17:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 58459-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58459.16656834851827 (code B ref 58459); Thu, 13 Oct 2022 17:52:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58459) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2022 17:51:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34894 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oj2Mb-0000TL-LZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:51:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4319.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.19]:54397) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oj2MW-0000T0-1j for 58459@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:51:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1665683469; x=1665942669; bh=NRSHUyEHCNvXrVkQgPvx2JS2PW/flsSUrfCUC2WLItk=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=dC/wMP8UdWeeuF1Jfl8Wuqkm6MNI/77Ana/Ybtd5XNtRLd2G2chFaJMIuH+u8ngaY va/u6CQrutHGEPP4iHVZaEYXe+uZqQlKPZq/kunDu7VGOkKi0DRz95XqIsyBWOMnis OQtu0dF2h6rRgTgtuDOTlntA40Ov5kNrFQQN7ob8cr8J0UgHZxNfkCsc3xtoOVfqCF JX4L+0MulrFNmflIQWAi/OAC/QIDLhRD1gCrREExTvGVLKajaNOX7st7B2diJB0fln 1SqSWAkcsdPfhZHv3Lzs2kPoftm5bWZ3rQPkAtqjOyyNSS1T26HdY/M4MGlK/HTsZl lviW/dT90nfxQ== In-Reply-To: <83edvbae5a.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245336 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, October 13th, 2022 at 4:20 PM, Eli Zaretskii wr= ote: > > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:06:21 +0000 > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me > > Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, psainty@orcon.net.nz, 58459@debbugs.gnu.org, st= efankangas@gmail.com > >=20 > > > And X resources are as much user settings as what the user sets on th= e > > > init files. So Emacs cannot but obey them. It is user's > > > responsibility to set up his/her settings according to his/her > > > preferences. > >=20 > > Untrue again. Emacs obeys them because it decided to obey them. >=20 >=20 > No, Emacs obeys them because programs on X obey them. And because > Emacs obeyed them since time immemoriam. You know they can be incorrect because any program can set them up, rather than entirely by the user. Even when my x-resources files are empty, emacs goes out of its ways to get them from who knows where. "Because emacsn obeyed them since time immemoriam" has always been=20 the standard response, rather than employing a rational and conscious approach. =20 =20 > Any further argument is really futile, because we will not stop > supporting X resources. It is your responsibility as the user to set > up the X resources on your system, or invoke Emacs in a way that > instructs Emacs to ignore those resources. It is not the responsibility to set up the X resources. Most times users do not configure x-resources for emacs, as has been stated. It only offers limitless amount of confusion.=20 Have never asked to stop supporting x-resources, but to support them differ= ently. =20 > Please, just accept our position on this, even if you disagree, > because it will not change. Of course, I knew that all along. Nothing changes.