From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: ndame via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40774: Error messages shouldn't be hidden when the user is idle Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:38:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: <868b0762-2179-4206-9684-1b944affbbfe@default> Reply-To: ndame , ndame Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="46933"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "40774@debbugs.gnu.org" <40774@debbugs.gnu.org> To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 18:39:18 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRIP5-000C5m-Vt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:39:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54204 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRIP4-0000pU-P3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:39:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43544) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRIOt-0000nr-W5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:39:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRIOt-00033x-DZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:39:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:41516) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRIOs-000335-Jp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:39:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRIOs-0007vu-Bk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:39:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: ndame Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 40774 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 40774-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B40774.158757349330437 (code B ref 40774); Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:39:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 40774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Apr 2020 16:38:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53062 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRIO5-0007ur-Jz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:38:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40135.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.135]:13080) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRIO3-0007ud-5p for 40774@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:38:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1587573484; bh=vL0Xzf5UQrNet+ypwAaPwpG4PKAJf7nxNhDiL4taNdY=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=fPSeVz28/z3giC6ugEt0SA3A9Rrc6KLhYIhOv9JTrYq7rFgGxcq+jX/kXWgj0NnF9 7A0qiNDh7Ey6qsmXLZhwFJRfHK8aE9/1XniSnpHp7h/csCOOJ6GiX6djrY2OCWuJqk WpFuQWMgFe/ipe1PqUulnEA42bSUuEFlDQ0fi6GE= In-Reply-To: <868b0762-2179-4206-9684-1b944affbbfe@default> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:178809 Archived-At: > > My suggestion would instead be this: > > As an option (i.e. one can easily turn it off), have buffer `Messages' be= displayed on an idle timer. This is not the same, because if there are progress messages too then error= s can be drowned in the noise, the user may not notice the error, and the use= r usually doesn't care about progress message history. It's much better if emacs collects the errors while the user is away and sh= ows them when the user is back, because if the computer can collect these then = it should do it instead of the user. And when the user is back and sees the errors then he knows about them righ= t away without having to parse the Messages buffer visually.