From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Heime via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65348: INITIAL-INPUT in completing-read repeats same entry twice consecutively Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 05:13:46 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83edk26wwu.fsf@gnu.org> <837cpu6sp6.fsf@gnu.org> <83msyq54mw.fsf@gnu.org> <6lEyA2hwLwT0gnrhQsH91Us8wQDf0Cj8-hfYtge1iLDBFEsG5Hj_i80te8w4f52fgOS-g9Z908HRkYHlE05wBV9ccB5h1bFjV755l9nvYh0=@protonmail.com> <83y1i93t7x.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Heime Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22318"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 65348@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 18 07:15:26 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qWrpW-0005c3-67 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 07:15:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qWrpD-0000BH-T5; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 01:15:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qWrp9-00004y-Ug for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 01:15:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qWrp8-0002Fp-Lp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 01:15:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qWrp8-0004AF-JO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 01:15:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Heime Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 05:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65348 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 65348-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65348.169233564215911 (code B ref 65348); Fri, 18 Aug 2023 05:15:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65348) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2023 05:14:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45872 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qWro9-00048L-OA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 01:14:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4319.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.19]:27427) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qWro4-000483-8E for 65348@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 01:14:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1692335629; x=1692594829; bh=fPNIi0QXY89vQ2Qps9cVWrj3UtiMblmjZyLIjs1lvq0=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=CzI2ORR0b6oJ+tDZ1Q6LdDFZZJNG9J4LxgGOaFMBuvNKzVz5WBepmoRiXlRiYln4E C54r2ZOnDMPIx6fTanbxFjlfHoqz+kE/4wYZNu5T5SsUIHbFYi1PpY7x4imGi7vKhk pwAzNq3sSdy3o20vWi1GF0AKousBsqUHEkHkgijtGAT8EuG98hUmlvUa2M4tzmgEgh nwe87m8cK2CTyCB2gI82id+j9zwRxGJN4mqJY9RdppU5RMdVfx/EwgQ5MMlrLzNef6 h8y5/+PrUyHVBHMqyPHx3M9eY2PQNcmmvQZ66JganF52RCBKm2xI9P5073GoxGj5xa k6zE71MHrZiMw== In-Reply-To: <83y1i93t7x.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 57735886:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:267710 Archived-At: Sent with Proton Mail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, August 18th, 2023 at 3:49 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote= : > > Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 00:35:09 +0000 > > From: Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com > > Cc: 65348@debbugs.gnu.org > >=20 > > So one is not supposed to have the value in COLLECTION if it has been s= pecified > > in INITIAL ? >=20 >=20 > You can have it there. It does work. But you are designating it as deprecated, which makes others think that som= ething awful is going to happen to it. The introduction of HIST is only making a = good function quite terrible to use, becoming an over-engineering piece of junk = to avoid. =20 =20 > > I find using INITIAL quite useful because the user sees something fille= d up. > > What is one to do instead ? >=20 >=20 > Why do you need INITIAL? I want the user to see a default without having him to get it with the bloo= dy "M-n". Having the user yank it from the default to the minibuffer is a bother, not= a way to=20 make things easier.