From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: emacs -nw hangs on redirect Date: 05 Nov 2003 02:44:52 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1067996817 12679 80.91.224.253 (5 Nov 2003 01:46:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 01:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 05 02:46:55 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AHCl3-0002b3-00 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 02:46:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AHCk1-00014E-DP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:45:49 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AHCji-0000xc-NL for bug-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:45:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AHCjB-0000kI-K6 for bug-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:45:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [130.59.10.2] (helo=chx400.switch.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1AHCjB-0000kB-3k for bug-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:44:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.fu-berlin.de ([160.45.11.165]) by chx400.switch.ch with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AHCj8-0000He-00 for gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.isc.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 02:44:54 +0100 Original-Received: by mail.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.2.0.98) from Curry.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (160.45.10.36) with esmtp id ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 02:44:53 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: by Curry.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from news.fu-berlin.de with bsmtp id ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 02:44:53 +0100 (MET) Original-To: gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.isc.org Original-Path: pd9509d8f.dip.t-dialin.NET!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug Original-Lines: 42 X-Orig-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9509d8f.dip.t-dialin.net (217.80.157.143) X-Orig-X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1067996693 46013260 217.80.157.143 (16 [198409]) X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:6094 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:6094 Richard Stallman writes: > I'm running emacs 21.2.1 on a linux ix86. > > If it is capable of running Emacs, it must have more than just Linux > on it. Linux is a kernel, and a kernel alone is not capable of > running programs like Emacs. You must have the GNU/Linux operating > system installed. Actually, if I remember correctly, there are non-GNU environments for Linux available too (certainly for some embedded systems, and I think there was even a proof-of-concept BSD flavor system with a Linux kernel). But it would appear unlikely that he was using one of those. > When you call the entire system "Linux", you give the system's > principal developers none of the credit. I would not go as far as to claim the kernel and system utility developers are not also principal developers of the system. And I don't think that he was intending to give _anybody_ credit just by trying to specify his system. When somebody calls me just by my given name, I don't assume that he is trying to give credit to the father of Solomon for me, but denying my parents appreciation. > And yet here you are asking us to help you out. Please start > treating us right. If you talk for yourself, the proper pronoun to use here is "me". He was writing to an Emacs developer list, and I find it somewhat out of balance to call all Emacs developers principal developers of GNU/Linux systems while denying the kernel developers that title. > (See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html for more > explanation.) Quite so. There is really not much point in repeating here what is already available for perusal elsewhere and in a better reviewed (and thus probably less misconstruable) form than what one can come up with in a moment oneself. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum