From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discouraging newbies in crowded offices and elsewhere Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:32:53 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226055784 7805 80.91.229.12 (7 Nov 2008 11:03:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Jason Spiro , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 07 12:04:06 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KyP80-0003p1-Gl for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:03:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52736 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyP6t-00022A-63 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:02:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyOur-0006zf-L1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:50:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyOup-0006yo-3b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:50:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57505 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyOun-0006yS-OR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:50:10 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:33757) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KyOun-0004bK-Ma for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:50:10 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mA7Ao5uG019371; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:50:06 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mA7Ae5hD016816; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:40:05 -0800 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:40:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1305 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1305.122605400715439 (code B ref 1305); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:40:05 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 7 Nov 2008 10:33:27 +0000 Original-Received: from mtaout1.012.net.il (mtaout1.012.net.il [84.95.2.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mA7AXNR5015426 for <1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:33:24 -0800 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout1.012.net.il by i-mtaout1.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0K9Y00100L12DA00@i-mtaout1.012.net.il> for 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:34:46 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.241.172]) by i-mtaout1.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0K9Y00M0RLDRCG20@i-mtaout1.012.net.il>; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:34:46 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:50:12 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22203 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:51:13 -0500 > From: "Jason Spiro" > Cc: > > By default, Emacs makes an audible beep every time the user makes an > error. It would be great if you could please change the default > either: > > 1. To not make any audible or visible bell when the user makes an > error. (This would be best.) Many other GUI applications beep under some circumstances that need user attention. > B. Most apps beep only when something very bad happens. But Emacs > beeps even upon minor mistakes like scrolling past end of buffer, or > pressing an unassigned key. It even beeps on non-mistakes like > pressing C-g. The amount of beeping may make users uncomfortable. Maybe we should simply revisit the places where we bitch-at-user, and remove the beep from some of them. But I don't see anything bad in beeping under extreme circumstances, and don't support disabling it entirely. > You might say, "But if not for the beep, users won't notice errors". > No. They will notice. Human eyes notice significant onscreen changes > (perhaps 3 words or more) easily. The problem is, without the beep, the screen sometimes does not change at all. And that is BAD, from the HE point of view, at least IMO.