From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#2022: 23.0.60; Rmail buffer marked modified after saving it Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:59:10 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii , 2022@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1232911442 13802 80.91.229.12 (25 Jan 2009 19:24:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 2022@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 25 20:25:15 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LRAbQ-0002VQ-1J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:25:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55485 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LRAa7-0001Ry-Ul for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:23:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LRAa2-0001RB-Ii for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:23:38 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LRAZz-0001Pu-A0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:23:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56844 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LRAZy-0001P9-17 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:23:34 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:47264) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LRAZw-0007FY-SD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:23:33 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0PJNTMe023542; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:23:30 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n0PJ58h4018985; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:05:08 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:05:08 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2022 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,rmail X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 2022-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2022.123290996416650 (code B ref 2022); Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:05:08 +0000 Original-Received: (at 2022) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Jan 2009 18:59:24 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mtaout6.012.net.il (mtaout6.012.net.il [84.95.2.16]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0PIxK4b016644 for <2022@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:59:22 -0800 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout6.012.net.il by i-mtaout6.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KE100M00J9XFS00@i-mtaout6.012.net.il> for 2022@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:59:31 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.70.255.234]) by i-mtaout6.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KE1001W8JF17T11@i-mtaout6.012.net.il>; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:59:31 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:23:37 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:24524 Archived-At: > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 2022@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:57:04 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Emacs does not elsewhere consider seeing a file as its modification. > > Why should Rmail be different? > > Because seeing a file (for the first time) modifies the > X-RMAIL-ATTRIBUTES: header, which is stored in the file. The old (pre-mbox) Rmail also had the unseen attribute, but it never marked the Rmail buffer modified when it was removed. So this is a change in behavior, and I can't say I like it. I don't think we want to regard seeing a message as a modification, since the body of the message does not change a bit. But if we do make this change, at the very least, it should have been implemented as an option, and/or via an idle timer, so that just paging thru many messages does not automatically mark them as ``seen'', although no human could possibly ``see'' a message in a fraction of a second.