From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1988: Making the license statement visible in the Emacs Manual Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:04:41 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii , 1988@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1233116660 4363 80.91.229.12 (28 Jan 2009 04:24:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jessw@netwood.net, karl@gnu.org, 1988@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 28 05:25:33 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LS1zY-0002pK-O2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 05:25:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34028 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LS1yG-0005TO-HN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:24:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LS1xg-00057S-AG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:23:36 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LS1xe-00056M-Jy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:23:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33936 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LS1xd-00055y-GG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:23:33 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:60796) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LS1xc-0005aa-OY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:23:33 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0S4NT4X021465; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:23:31 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n0S4F3Y5019230; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:15:03 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:15:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1988 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,documentation X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1988-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1988.123311550516764 (code B ref 1988); Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:15:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1988) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 28 Jan 2009 04:05:05 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mtaout1.012.net.il (mtaout1.012.net.il [84.95.2.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0S44uAA015911 for <1988@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:04:57 -0800 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout1.012.net.il by i-mtaout1.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KE500J00XVL4L00@i-mtaout1.012.net.il> for 1988@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:04:56 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.70.255.234]) by i-mtaout1.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KE500GNFY05OZ10@i-mtaout1.012.net.il>; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:04:54 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:23:34 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:24666 Archived-At: > From: Richard M Stallman > CC: rgm@gnu.org, jessw@netwood.net > cc: karl@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:59:13 -0500 > > I suggest talking with the Texinfo maintainer, karl@gnu.org, about this. > If the Texinfo manual doesn't give clear and specific advice which settles > your question, then I think some should be added there. The Texinfo manual _does_ give clear and specific advice about this: We also strongly recommend using `@insertcopying' in the Top node of your manual (*note The Top Node::), although it is not required legally. Here's why: The `@copying' command itself causes the permissions text to appear in an Info file _before_ the first node. The text is also copied into the beginning of each split Info output file, as is legally necessary. This location implies a human reading the manual using Info does _not_ see this text (except when using the advanced Info command `g *'). Therefore, an explicit `@insertcopying' in the Top node makes it apparent to readers that the manual is free. Similarly, the `@copying' text is automatically included at the beginning of each HTML output file, as an HTML comment. Again, this text is not visible (unless the reader views the HTML source). And therefore again, the `@insertcopying' in the Top node is valuable because it makes the copying permissions visible and thus promotes freedom.