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Tue, 1 Jun 2021 18:06:46 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:sH+DUjfGSpa19DlSDPlkdqUAhxze+SDY9hoQT4bbLhy9zqkO/bfhXFTFW9/SYR+kbvoZ3 wWOuV6zDI7GyDc4Pc07K3iDaIP/E2u0WH0EPUKUBebAbv7X6xsYtguAGI1brn8UPw8iOg6+dP7sy IUCpoIS7e1v0lCLNmIlOnNBY0aq1QQmZIhWnmXo9ru4Hi7WJRBGgEqwvhNuot8JyjBa6gdFb9UCt DtAZctKU/ai9aEGybpv1CPV2tZhgY0Dm7ppWj14bhFDIPxQzMhuoBFW/FacW8A7Jg+o5C+tHA2Kz xc= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:BPs1ha5/pM4=:auPijwgFCjn+Dwgen0wix1 dD+t2R0BV8VJlB+UqfyFhTt2ct2uqN1JsXCQJxtUn09jWBVRpL5jRB3yWkhPrtxmM0AZo3TdP vaHtMviW8JeyB23cKRr6mkCqONzsdp/dpvZEAuQItbwuGIrNTHs7kry8OK49b/YK57EPTZR9W lbWsHBtjHXbdvSeiiBLx4hMrVFi9yV4fF5WhZWQmTXhjTtBmWlmcBXfYQCwrnURVd3pMtVjdl rHjHSahZQH7SLwJ+hjzcgUDiamQlwxzSoHcVNy3ObFDlyixzTaprJ8G4rHHnsqWye6KcmhWDa lrNGR8am5Ww4kBze/UqE9VITQ82FyCLOoPJqWamPX+FAG1dabvtCfqJS0cU/1qt+1B4/huIFW 9yzQYf5xMOEOJf2JkRI3qpl/+wxkwwImKsQjeEAkLyjCdMZhKjnku3Xaq5tJ6X9519brLp2+t 6ECK5Q758BGDaVdbuIK5VpoIl+qAwBUrYhb32MFUiCOrciWyXf+wr4D1aAIhbGr3uX3eiOBRQ FxT2FxRcck9xb2Xuo+SkND6ELEbP+Q8/gJBFN1UVPC7jY9OLtvlbR/c8u8jkRMIHKUzNq4L4d mEE1mvVwTVdC+zMeDlEvbtzOcI1j/GcPoVRt02sGQQc9J9YCVbk9X8qD6D6uCIYuKBul05V9w xGZx+bjMDSMxjMk9eyrpwy2HHrRAYRlrnFn20Ii2XZwF3M2BQyVn2eEW9rrTZH1ayG344lSVe Ko3a+oZDLErsgdrYvypl6pe+pYQronSc4dO1Saxse9cEiex8vOVx/DjqdaPKV8u2jKh5WHgP X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:207795 Archived-At: > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 at 4:00 AM > From: "Drew Adams" > To: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" , "jaime.escalante@gmx.com" > Cc: "48764@debbugs.gnu.org" <48764@debbugs.gnu.org> > Subject: RE: [External] : bug#48764: mini-buffer completion > > > > But the mini-buffer does not provide the user with any indication th= at > > > he can use the "up" and "down" keys to navigate a list of settings. > > > It would be beneficial to introduce some kind of glyph or indicator = in > > > the mini-buffer to make the user aware that arrow keys can be used, > > > and be described in the manual. > > > > It should not come as a surprise that basic navigation keys allow you = to > > navigate basically. > > > > Closing. > > I wouldn't argue that the minibuffer itself needs to > provide any such indication. (Some doc should perhaps > mention it, however.) I agree with you about that. > > But the reply that users should expect "basic navigation > keys" to "navigate basically" presents things in a > distorted way. In an extremely distorted way. I try to get to developer's head about it,= yet few are capable of listening. > Basic navigation keys generally do work in the basic, > i.e., ordinary way in the minibuffer. But and > do NOT do so. Their normal/basic behavior is > to move up or down a line of text. They _could_ do that > in the minibuffer, but they don't. Likewise, `C-n' and > `C-p'. > > So while I tend to agree that the minibuffer itself > need not advertise what and do, the argument > that you gave is specious, IMO. In fact, it argues the > opposite: it argues that and (and `C-[n|p]') > should "allow you to navigate basically", i.e., move up > and down a line of minibuffer text. > > Not to mention that _cycling_ candidates is not a basic > navigation behavior. It's not a navigation behavior at > all. It doesn't move point or the mouse pointer, doesn't > move focus, or do any of the things one might think of as > "basic navigation" behavior. >