From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65913: with-help-window arranges for 'inhibit-read-only' to be set to 't' Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 21:04:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: <838r9anrmi.fsf@gnu.org> <83v8cem8pu.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7i5nbeq.fsf@gnu.org> <83fs3hmk33.fsf@gnu.org> <83jzsslojd.fsf@gnu.org> <83fs3glmoe.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32966"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 65913@debbugs.gnu.org, uzibalqa@proton.me, heimeborgia@protonmail.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 14 21:05:13 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qgreK-0008O7-U9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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One just has to use them. > > > > In most cases, the place where to look for the related information i= n > > > the manuals is quite easily found: just visit the manual and then ty= pe > > > "i SYMBOL RET", where SYMBOL is the name of the variable or the > > > function whose doc string you are reading. > > > > There could be some information in the "Introduction to Programming in > > Emacs Lisp" that illustrates an actual serious problem and how to get > > to the information from within Emacs itself in an efficient way. > > We already have this in the Emacs user manual, see the beginning of > the chapter "Help". It lists the various methods of finding relevant > information in the available documentation. I can go through the "Reference Manual" and the "Introduction to Programmi= ng in Emacs Lisp" to make sure users cannot miss it. Look at some of the que= stions by the OP and see how easy it is to figure things out via a specific proce= dure that can be followed.