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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 2211204869e9d1837a86a32a7174ad74; Mon, 06 May 2024 01:01:20 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 5 May 2024 20:08:56 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22256 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:284549 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > No, I didn't - you did. I said nothing about > any enemies of Lisp, nor did I suggest that > anyone here is an enemy of Lisp. > > Please stop with the hyperbole and insinuation. > You appear to be trying to spin my position > into something it's not. > > It would be a mistake, IMHO, to do away with > mutable strings or lists in Elisp. That's my > opinion: that would _impoverish Lisp_. The > former (make strings immutable) is exactly the > question raised in this thread, IIUC. > > It would also be unfortunate to do away with > the use of nil as meaning false, or as the > empty list. Again, that would _impoverish > Lisp_. That's my opinion. > > Such suggestions don't jibe with Lisp; they > would, in effect mutate Lisp away from its > fundament. Let's not go down that road. I agree, but alas, the dubious practice of removing time-honored facilities for their supposed disuse, virtually on impulse, and giving Emacs a new motto inspired by line 6186 of dispnew.c, is much in vogue with Mattias these days. One can only hope that calmer heads will prevail.