From: Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
"70784@debbugs.gnu.org" <70784@debbugs.gnu.org>,
"mattias.engdegard@gmail.com" <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com>,
"monnier@iro.umontreal.ca" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: bug#70784: Abolish string resizing
Date: Mon, 06 May 2024 09:01:16 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <s54msp3ah43.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR10MB54880668D9C3316FB9200628F31D2@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 5 May 2024 20:08:56 +0000")
Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> No, I didn't - you did. I said nothing about
> any enemies of Lisp, nor did I suggest that
> anyone here is an enemy of Lisp.
>
> Please stop with the hyperbole and insinuation.
> You appear to be trying to spin my position
> into something it's not.
>
> It would be a mistake, IMHO, to do away with
> mutable strings or lists in Elisp. That's my
> opinion: that would _impoverish Lisp_. The
> former (make strings immutable) is exactly the
> question raised in this thread, IIUC.
>
> It would also be unfortunate to do away with
> the use of nil as meaning false, or as the
> empty list. Again, that would _impoverish
> Lisp_. That's my opinion.
>
> Such suggestions don't jibe with Lisp; they
> would, in effect mutate Lisp away from its
> fundament. Let's not go down that road.
I agree, but alas, the dubious practice of removing time-honored
facilities for their supposed disuse, virtually on impulse, and giving
Emacs a new motto inspired by line 6186 of dispnew.c, is much in vogue
with Mattias these days.
One can only hope that calmer heads will prevail.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-06 1:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-05 12:33 bug#70784: Abolish string resizing Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-05 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 14:18 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-05 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 16:55 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 17:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 18:09 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 20:08 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 1:01 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2024-05-06 6:02 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-05-08 23:25 ` Richard Stallman
2024-05-08 23:24 ` Richard Stallman
2024-05-09 1:14 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-26 9:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-05-26 9:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-26 18:03 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-26 18:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-27 3:42 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-28 2:23 ` Richard Stallman
2024-05-05 18:09 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 20:24 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-05 21:14 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-11 15:20 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-11 16:21 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-15 17:30 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-15 17:47 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-15 19:35 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-25 11:24 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-25 11:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-25 13:01 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-06 0:53 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 1:56 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 11:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-06 12:29 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-07 11:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-07 13:41 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 2:41 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 4:41 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 10:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-06 11:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-06 12:23 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-07 11:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-08 23:25 ` Richard Stallman
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