From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:11:23 -0500 Message-ID: References: <509ddd0f-589c-45b0-9b60-5820f4c1d716@www.fastmail.com> <83sftr3nyx.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7a73fab.fsf@gnu.org> <87fspqz94l.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8448"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Jay Berkenbilt , 53207@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Albinus Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 14 17:12:13 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n8PBU-0001xE-JQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:12:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58672 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8PBT-0001dL-CA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:12:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47156) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8PBK-0001Yk-8B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:12:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45012) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8PBJ-0006Bm-Ut for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:12:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8PBJ-0005Gx-KT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:12:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 16:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53207 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 53207-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53207.164217670020234 (code B ref 53207); Fri, 14 Jan 2022 16:12:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 53207) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2022 16:11:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37915 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8PAy-0005GH-6J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:11:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46186) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8PAs-0005Fv-Vz for 53207@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:11:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=44526 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8PAj-00060E-AL; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:11:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=hkB54uUG5bF4c427QN0vYl92cTr25OEWlamyU7sFR38=; b=O+ezmcf85kpaFC/TKira rS+Fwg2lAed+an6qKpMFI5Ieka1QjpRaLOLEH4bHR95IdcYr8895Q6E260Y2lD1SsKWAknzeApxx1 Us4xvba6uV0K0jVoyagftJHadJyX+B67vr0XuhrGkI7ppyztpDXw1GMMQBNuOMUbKVIuGl8rvWMSf E2GS8OjC0OM9agzsLUtE0qCw+ON1QFAtYB8BTU7mE4B3D3aePICqKpOHSGop3FYn75PbZZj0FE2RS 2NA3r75KC05W8YZ7IQCLHxJEnlGXTow4q7hvoAYDfXnI32BSmC/lUlGJgWGDEGpuTKEN+Uo+lp6Vw 3BbeWqeOLHHBcQ==; Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n8PAh-0005n0-DW; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:11:23 -0500 X-Spook: Homeland Defense National Operations Center Botnet Ron X-Ran: %DRl(!aw^lzGT*7RrH7"L* (Michael Albinus's message of "Fri, 14 Jan 2022 15:26:18 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:224215 Archived-At: I find this report very clear (in both recipe and explaining motivation), but I'm struggling to understand some of the responses to it. Was it functionally necessary for the addition of lock file transforms to break the create-lockfiles nil case? If not, why isn't restoring the functionality being considered? Conceptually, it is hard for me to see why lockfiles (a system for detecting editing collisions between Emacs instances) should be tied up with detecting changes made outside of Emacs.