From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16407: Info-directory-list should always put this Emacs's info direc first Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:11:45 -0500 Message-ID: References: <838uuocnn9.fsf@gnu.org> <4s4n5cl20f.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8338kwckqh.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389384722 30377 80.91.229.3 (10 Jan 2014 20:12:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 16407@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 10 21:12:08 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W1iR5-0000OB-Jd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:12:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58835 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1iR5-0006bc-2O for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:12:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60539) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1iR1-0006aV-BX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:12:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1iR0-0001Lo-Dd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:12:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:59781) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1iR0-0001Lk-AB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:12:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W1iR0-00052j-0r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:12:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16407 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16407-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16407.138938470919367 (code B ref 16407); Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:12:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16407) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2014 20:11:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45567 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W1iQn-00052I-12 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:11:49 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:46485) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W1iQk-000528-I4 for 16407@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:11:47 -0500 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1iQj-0005pS-Kk; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:11:45 -0500 X-Spook: World Trade Center explosion Echelon Skipjack Crowell MD4 X-Ran: K{"wnXJtmD"s3n.Ek-"*);/_+rfe>Xh$@D620p\ (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:19:18 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:83246 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > On a multi-user system, INFOPATH can be customized differently for > each user, but /usr/share/info is a single directory. Suppose some > users want to stay with an older Emacs, while others want the bleeding > edge. I don't really get your point. I contend that "Emacs N should show the manuals for version N", without the user needing to do anything special. (I'm assuming throughout that each Emacs version is installed in a separate location, otherwise the info pages stomp all over each other anyway, as you said.) For example: As a user, I have a local software directory /home/me/software, where I install things. So I have INFOPATH=/home/me/software/info: in my environment. There is Emacs version N in there. I have other Emacs versions installed in other places, which I want to use at times. All of them end up finding the info pages from Emacs version N. > Experience has taught us that there are too many "fringe cases" when > Info docs are concerned. The code to which you pointed was a result > of prolonged discussions in the past, and many micro-corrections due > to these fringe cases. Sorry, I think it's overly complicated for this day-and-age, and could stand to be simplified. >> And note that the Mac platform has already behaved as I request for some >> years. I don't recall seeing any complaints. > > This goes both ways: I don't recall complaints about the current > arrangement, either. It's me, I'm the complainer! :) Anyway, my one sentence summary is that it just seems crazy to me that Emacs does not reliably find its own info pages.