* bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link [not found] ` <4F069477-F85D-4BDB-B42E-C60F529D3275@mail.umw.edu> @ 2018-11-15 9:05 ` Therese Godefroy via RT 2018-11-15 16:35 ` Glenn Morris 2018-11-23 10:10 ` Thérèse Godefroy 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Therese Godefroy via RT @ 2018-11-15 9:05 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: 33393 On Wed Nov 14 20:56:04 2018, spaulk@mail.umw.edu wrote: > Hello, > > ”FSF store”<https://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual/> this hyperlink > found inside of all of the manuals located > here<https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html> are broken. > > Thank you Hello Sean, Thanks for reporting this dead link. It will be taken care of by the Emacs maintainers <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>, CCed. Best regards, Thérèse ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link 2018-11-15 9:05 ` bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link Therese Godefroy via RT @ 2018-11-15 16:35 ` Glenn Morris [not found] ` <rt-4.2.14-7-g171caae-15965-1542299753-1380.1336696-8-0@rt.gnu.org> ` (2 more replies) 2018-11-23 10:10 ` Thérèse Godefroy 1 sibling, 3 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2018-11-15 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: webmasters; +Cc: 33393 >> "FSF store"<https://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual/> this >> hyperlink found inside of all of the manuals located >> here<https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html> are >> broken. Thanks for the info. This has happened before, eg https://debbugs.gnu.org/29671 The simplest solution is if the FSF store keeps https://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual/ working as a redirect to wherever the current manual is (or a short note saying that it is out of print when applicable). I will ask sales@fsf to do that, unless you know a better address? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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* bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link [not found] ` <rt-4.2.14-7-g171caae-15965-1542299753-1380.1336696-8-0@rt.gnu.org> @ 2018-11-16 8:18 ` Therese Godefroy via RT 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Therese Godefroy via RT @ 2018-11-16 8:18 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: 33393 On Thu Nov 15 11:35:53 2018, rgm@gnu.org wrote: > > >> "FSF store"<https://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual/> this > >> hyperlink found inside of all of the manuals located > >> here<https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html> are > >> broken. > > Thanks for the info. > This has happened before, eg https://debbugs.gnu.org/29671 > The simplest solution is if the FSF store keeps > https://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual/ > working as a redirect to wherever the current manual is (or a short note > saying that it is out of print when applicable). > > I will ask sales@fsf to do that, unless you know a better address? Hello Glenn, This seems like the best thing to do. Thanks for your prompt reply. Best regards, Thérèse ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link 2018-11-15 16:35 ` Glenn Morris [not found] ` <rt-4.2.14-7-g171caae-15965-1542299753-1380.1336696-8-0@rt.gnu.org> @ 2018-11-20 10:12 ` Nicolas Petton 2018-11-20 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii 2018-11-20 16:52 ` Glenn Morris 2018-11-28 20:06 ` Glenn Morris 2 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Petton @ 2018-11-20 10:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris, webmasters; +Cc: 33393 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 548 bytes --] Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes: > Thanks for the info. > This has happened before, eg https://debbugs.gnu.org/29671 > The simplest solution is if the FSF store keeps > https://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual/ > working as a redirect to wherever the current manual is (or a short note > saying that it is out of print when applicable). > > I will ask sales@fsf to do that, unless you know a better address? Can we maintain a list of redirections ourselves using a .htaccess file? Do you know if the file will be read by the web server? Nico [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link 2018-11-20 10:12 ` Nicolas Petton @ 2018-11-20 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii 2018-11-20 16:55 ` Glenn Morris [not found] ` <rt-4.2.14-7-g171caae-29101-1542730233-443.1336696-8-0@rt.gnu.org> 2018-11-20 16:52 ` Glenn Morris 1 sibling, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-11-20 16:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: webmasters, 33393 > From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:12:22 +0100 > Cc: 33393@debbugs.gnu.org > > Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes: > > > Thanks for the info. > > This has happened before, eg https://debbugs.gnu.org/29671 > > The simplest solution is if the FSF store keeps > > https://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual/ > > working as a redirect to wherever the current manual is (or a short note > > saying that it is out of print when applicable). > > > > I will ask sales@fsf to do that, unless you know a better address? > > Can we maintain a list of redirections ourselves using a .htaccess file? > Do you know if the file will be read by the web server? I was actually about to suggest something easier: point the readers to an address that will never change, such as this: https://shop.fsf.org/collection/books-docs Of course, if we can arrange for a more focused URL that won't be invalidated by bitrot, that would be better. However, I do suggest to at least consider the "easy" solution against the risk of a 404 with the more smart one. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link 2018-11-20 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-11-20 16:55 ` Glenn Morris 2018-11-20 16:58 ` Glenn Morris [not found] ` <rt-4.2.14-7-g171caae-29101-1542730233-443.1336696-8-0@rt.gnu.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2018-11-20 16:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Nicolas Petton, 33393 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I was actually about to suggest something easier: point the readers to > an address that will never change, such as this: > > https://shop.fsf.org/collection/books-docs Are you sure about "never"? :) > Of course, if we can arrange for a more focused URL that won't be > invalidated by bitrot, that would be better. Emacs can change to any URL for the future, but the old URL is used in past releases and their announcements, so it would be simplest if it comes back. It ought to be trivial for the FSF store to set up a redirect. I will do that today. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link 2018-11-20 16:55 ` Glenn Morris @ 2018-11-20 16:58 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2018-11-20 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Nicolas Petton, 33393 Glenn Morris wrote: > comes back. It ought to be trivial for the FSF store to set up a > redirect. I will do that today. I meant to say that I will ask them to do that. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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* bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link [not found] ` <rt-4.2.14-7-g171caae-29101-1542730233-443.1336696-8-0@rt.gnu.org> @ 2018-11-20 17:03 ` Therese Godefroy via RT 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Therese Godefroy via RT @ 2018-11-20 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: nicolas, 33393 On Tue Nov 20 11:10:33 2018, eliz@gnu.org wrote: > > From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 11:12:22 +0100 > > Cc: 33393@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes: > > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > This has happened before, eg https://debbugs.gnu.org/29671 > > > The simplest solution is if the FSF store keeps > > > https://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual/ > > > working as a redirect to wherever the current manual is (or a short note > > > saying that it is out of print when applicable). > > > > > > I will ask sales@fsf to do that, unless you know a better address? > > > > Can we maintain a list of redirections ourselves using a .htaccess file? > > Do you know if the file will be read by the web server? > > I was actually about to suggest something easier: point the readers to > an address that will never change, such as this: > > https://shop.fsf.org/collection/books-docs > > Of course, if we can arrange for a more focused URL that won't be > invalidated by bitrot, that would be better. However, I do suggest to > at least consider the "easy" solution against the risk of a 404 with > the more smart one. Hello all, I quite agree with Eli. A generic redirection would be better. If you want to keep the link as it is, I don't think a .htaccess redirection on the gnu.org server would work, because the link points to shop.fsf.org. You would have to ask the FSF sysadmins <sysadmin.fsf.org> to update the redirection that seems to exist already, or replace it with a generic one; something like: Redirect http://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual/ https://shop.fsf.org/collection/books-docs/ The visitor would easily find the current Emacs Manual. If you don't want to wait for the FSF admins to do this, I'm afraid you will have to change the links in the Emacs home page and manuals. At least, you can use a generic link that will not rot: * The simplest URL is "/order/". It is rewritten by the gnu.org server: RewriteRule ^/order/.* http://shop.fsf.org/ [R] The visitor would land on the main page of the FSF shop, and follow the menu link to the books-docs section. * You could also use an address in the emacs directory (say, /software/emacs/printed-emacs-manual.html), and redirect to the current version of the printed manual. This can be done in .htaccess, or in a page called "printed-emacs-manual.html". You would still have to update the redirection whenever the printed version changes, but this isn't going to happen any time soon because they just released the 18th edition. * A variant of the previous method is to use the .symlinks file (no real page needed). My 2 cents. Best regards, Thérèse ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link 2018-11-20 10:12 ` Nicolas Petton 2018-11-20 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-11-20 16:52 ` Glenn Morris 2018-11-20 17:41 ` Glenn Morris 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2018-11-20 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: 33393 Nicolas Petton wrote: > Can we maintain a list of redirections ourselves using a .htaccess file? We can't ourselves do that for the shop.fsf.org domain, no. > Do you know if the file will be read by the web server? .htaccess works and is used eg in emacs/manual/. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link 2018-11-20 16:52 ` Glenn Morris @ 2018-11-20 17:41 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2018-11-20 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Petton; +Cc: 33393 Glenn Morris wrote: > Nicolas Petton wrote: > >> Can we maintain a list of redirections ourselves using a .htaccess file? > > We can't ourselves do that for the shop.fsf.org domain, no. > >> Do you know if the file will be read by the web server? > > .htaccess works and is used eg in emacs/manual/. Oh, maybe you meant in future use eg gnu.org/s/emacs/manual/printed, and have that redirect wherever. Sure, just add whatever you want to the .htaccess file. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link 2018-11-15 16:35 ` Glenn Morris [not found] ` <rt-4.2.14-7-g171caae-15965-1542299753-1380.1336696-8-0@rt.gnu.org> 2018-11-20 10:12 ` Nicolas Petton @ 2018-11-28 20:06 ` Glenn Morris 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2018-11-28 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 33393-done sales@fsf have fixed the https://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual link. (I did ask if they wanted Emacs to use a different link in future, but they did not comment.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link 2018-11-15 9:05 ` bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link Therese Godefroy via RT 2018-11-15 16:35 ` Glenn Morris @ 2018-11-23 10:10 ` Thérèse Godefroy 2018-11-23 10:22 ` Nicolas Petton 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Thérèse Godefroy @ 2018-11-23 10:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 33393, nicolas [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 179 bytes --] Hello, A wrong link to the printed manual is also found in /software/emacs/documentation.html. This one can be fixed right away (diff attached). All the best, Thérèse [-- Attachment #2: documentation.diff --] [-- Type: text/x-patch, Size: 793 bytes --] Index: documentation.html =================================================================== RCS file: /webcvs/emacs/emacs/documentation.html,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -U 2 -r1.7 documentation.html --- documentation.html 12 Dec 2017 08:50:51 -0000 1.7 +++ documentation.html 23 Nov 2018 10:08:42 -0000 @@ -70,5 +70,5 @@ <ul> <li>GNU Emacs manual: <a href="/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/index.html">Read Online</a> or - <a href="http://shop.fsf.org/product/emacs-manual/">Purchase</a> + <a href="https://shop.fsf.org/books/gnu-emacs-manual-18th-edition-v-261">Purchase</a> </li> <li>An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp: ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* bug#33393: [gnu.org #1336696] 404 link 2018-11-23 10:10 ` Thérèse Godefroy @ 2018-11-23 10:22 ` Nicolas Petton 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Petton @ 2018-11-23 10:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thérèse Godefroy, 33393; +Cc: 33393-done [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 274 bytes --] Thérèse Godefroy <godef.th@free.fr> writes: > Hello, Hi Thèrèse, > A wrong link to the printed manual is also found in > /software/emacs/documentation.html. This one can be fixed right away > (diff attached). I applied the patch, thanks. Cheers, Nico [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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