From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Heime via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65459: completing-read INITIAL-VALUE unaware of COLLECTION and REQUIRE-MATCH Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 16:21:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: <9K_-oO834AqSJEo_pqDrfj7Q1O1vcqy19pPVpFDuVl5tfCjWqlLa8cRgM16uDFBEt63VYEUkj7ueLAZ8XLrfsZAuRPLvU4Mx3von1r73fEE=@protonmail.com> <596919925b4762b66be8@heytings.org> Reply-To: Heime Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21355"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Gregory Heytings , 65459@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 27 18:22:45 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qaIXF-0005KF-Cb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 18:22:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaIWb-0002FM-9m; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:22:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaIWS-00028g-MZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:21:57 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaIWS-000071-E2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:21:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qaIWX-0007xy-Vi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:22:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Heime Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 16:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 65459-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65459.169315329030548 (code B ref 65459); Sun, 27 Aug 2023 16:22:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65459) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Aug 2023 16:21:30 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46023 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qaIW2-0007wd-7Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:21:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40137.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.137]:45271) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qaIVz-0007wI-9Z for 65459@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:21:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1693153275; x=1693412475; bh=fiJTiX/ybZ4R2O3Q8mXLz1u441plUKsadP6v62AHuFk=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=f99m26Px0A6XHNZvHSkHDWAw+96LkUCclDPY/5I+UC5PF0QHCQL/Mr+GdO+7S0idm uAdqe3UceknHAd2t7kZeXyFO/sqqJMUYglKx6lvpEB8Iy7qZ9aP1rLGk1a1M5Z+fb0 lgW1kJaeuHnnKXeGBdG4TNZ97FmibYqeGhsngkiptRZf3SXwosoKfMMphe+2imJ37z TljCpNv0jVpBjPXCQUGuRYRXFU3oDHM/kztc7r5mjo8pbmKuSKXt1BoRuyMRQEqlfZ sjT5TJFALyTjsfGilqzonLYyennZ68B6dHteC98t0UkM30PLkD7B1NgRhRLRVlHywB HnpKW5HvRWPbA== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 57735886:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:268566 Archived-At: Sent with Proton Mail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Monday, August 28th, 2023 at 2:40 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Additionally, let's have minibuffer prefilling as part of the design > > without any discouragement or encouragement regarding its use. > > I like it, others don't like it. >=20 >=20 > This last sentence is key: it should not be a choice of the caller of the > function, but should depend on the configuration of the UI instead. >=20 > Using DEFault makes this customization possible. Using INITIAL-INPUT > does not. - Stefan Suppose I want to prefill the buffer with something, I should be allowed=20 to do that. The default only shows up when instructed, so not really an automatic prefill of the minibuffer. Not a choice of the caller of the function. It is the programmer who is=20 calling the function and who wants it to behave a certain. I find it a big problem that when I mention minibuffer prefilling, the maintainers reject such possibility. It basically means that I get the UI behind=20 by back trying to hamstring me on what I can do and what I cannot do. Suppose I want minibuffer prefilling, give me the procedure that allows me to do that, one that is not complicated in a way that dissuades me from=20 implementing such a thing.