From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12787: Toolbar regression from Emacs 23 to Emacs 24 -- Save As and Help no longer available Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:13:14 -0400 Message-ID: References: <30308840.1509334.1351887345968.JavaMail.root@vms170027> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1351894460 9462 80.91.229.3 (2 Nov 2012 22:14:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 22:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12787@debbugs.gnu.org To: jxa127@verizon.net Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 02 23:14:27 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TUPVP-0002hV-Fn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 23:14:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53560 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUPVG-0001Y7-SZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:14:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51059) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUPVF-0001Xx-44 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:14:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUPVD-00075R-Hb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:14:13 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35982) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUPVD-00075N-AN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:14:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TUPXx-0003EG-IL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:17:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12787 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12787-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12787.135189456912300 (code B ref 12787); Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:17:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12787) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2012 22:16:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46233 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TUPX6-0003CL-Q8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:16:09 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:51117) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TUPX4-0003C9-PJ for 12787@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:16:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUPUJ-0004CV-45; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:13:15 -0400 X-Spook: CESID HAMASMOIS Ft. Bragg Merlin Bin Laden 22nd SAS X-Ran: rU~n@TPi13pt:YT)rW]P\xu)K55lM#_JgFIDy4#xWj8<}gH24VMc::4iAX-@3i9kR+?Ift X-Hue: magenta X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: <30308840.1509334.1351887345968.JavaMail.root@vms170027> (jxa's message of "Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:15:45 -0500 (CDT)") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:66364 Archived-At: jxa127@verizon.net wrote: > Thank you for pointing me to the link. That helps explain the change. > I don't agree with the assertion that "Save As" is left off of most > toolbars. Could you name some applications that have it there by default? If I start up eg "gedit" it is not there, and I see no way to add it (I don't normally use gedit though). The gedit toolbar looks much the same as Emacs 24's. I imagine this consistency with other applications was the motivation for the changes. The "help" button seems pointless to me. It just does exactly the same as clicking the "help" menu, which is a few pixels away. I don't expect a significant number of people to have tool-bar on and menu-bar off. Every other tool-bar button in Emacs 23 is for an action that does not correspond to simply selecting a top-level menu. > Even when it is, though, it is easy to add back on -- something that > is not true with Emacs. You could certainly argue that the Emacs toolbar should be easier to customize. Drag'n'drop seems to be the friendly way. I think that is a different bug report though.