From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: Variant spellings in GNU Emacs documentation Date: 19 Jan 2004 13:07:09 +0100 Organization: muc.de e.V. -- private internet access Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1074519451 6607 80.91.224.253 (19 Jan 2004 13:37:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 19 14:37:22 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AiZak-0003IW-00 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:37:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AiZZy-0007PS-Rj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:36:34 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AiZVZ-0005u5-Sq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:32:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AiZPE-0004Um-QK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:26:00 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AiYWo-0004UH-JE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:29:14 -0500 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AiYV3-0007Pc-SG for gnu-emacs-bug@prep.ai.mit.edu; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:27:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AiYLc-00038Q-Ge for gnu-emacs-bug@prep.ai.mit.edu; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:18:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [193.149.48.2] (helo=marvin.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AiYDP-0001bB-Bz for gnu-emacs-bug@prep.ai.mit.edu; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:09:11 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 80926 invoked by uid 8); 19 Jan 2004 12:07:09 -0000 Original-To: gnu-emacs-bug@prep.ai.mit.edu Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug Original-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:02:48 +0000 Original-Lines: 41 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: acm.muc.de Original-X-Trace: marvin.muc.de 1074514029 80922 193.149.49.134 (19 Jan 2004 12:07:09 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: news-admin@muc.de Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jan 2004 12:07:09 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.5-20010409 ("One More Nightmare") (UNIX) (Linux/2.0.35 (i686)) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:6638 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:6638 Eli Zaretskii wrote on 19 Jan 2004 08:27:48 +0200: >> From: David Kastrup >> Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug >> Date: 19 Jan 2004 00:16:30 +0100 >> > Writing "MS-DOG" is a common practice for us--it is not an error. [ .... ] >> In addition, it makes one look like a hypocrite if one stresses the >> importance of using the correct name for systems like GNU/Linux. > Personally, I don't see anything wrong with testing the sense of humor > of Emacs users. Someone once posted an angry message about Antinews on > similar grounds, but I don't think we must be that dead serious about > these things. We can always use a bit of smiling once in a while. Personally, I don't think it's very funny humour. When one calls MS-DOS "MS-DOG" or MS-Windows "windoze", one is holding in contempt not only the sleazy marketing types at Microsoft, but also the programmers who wrote these systems. I think these programmers have done a competent job, especially considering the constraints they have had to work under. I am speculating here, but I would think these programmers suffer a good deal more from MS's business practices than mere users. Many times, for example, they will have been forced against their better judgement to do the Wrong Thing, and this will gnaw away at their consciences and integrity. [They might even be forbidden from using Emacs at work :-(] I don't think they need or deserve the extra slap on the face of having their creations maligned by other hackers. > GNU/Linux is different: you don't laugh about the beliefs of people > whom you respect. Whom should one respect? Whom should one despise? -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: aacm@muuc.dee; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter (like "aa"), remove half of them (leaving, say, "a").