From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Daiki Ueno Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#27445: 26.0.50; Insufficient documentation for pinentry.el Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:49:09 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87vano7ihu.fsf@drachen> <878tfy15lw.fsf@web.de> <83vaiz63f3.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi7jgbka.fsf@gnu.org> <87h8tqg30t.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83eford3rw.fsf@gnu.org> <87ine35roo.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <83po8ab9jk.fsf@gnu.org> <87zi7d7qhx.fsf@web.de> <87lgixvayl.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <87y3mww419.fsf@web.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1511520625 26726 195.159.176.226 (24 Nov 2017 10:50:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:50:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 27445@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 24 11:50:14 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBYf-0005wm-NN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:50:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48454 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBYm-0008Bw-TA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:50:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56280) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBYe-00088L-Un for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:50:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBYZ-0006xD-5x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:50:09 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:46064) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBYZ-0006wr-3N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:50:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBYY-00082k-11 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:50:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Daiki Ueno Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 27445 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 27445-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B27445.151152057130873 (code B ref 27445); Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:50:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 27445) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2017 10:49:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54745 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBY3-00081s-MR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:49:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36549) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBY1-00081g-Jw for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:49:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBXs-0006Qo-PU for 27445@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:49:24 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42069) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBXs-0006Qc-Mk; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:49:20 -0500 Original-Received: from du-a.org ([219.94.251.20]:41144 helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eIBXr-0008E9-B1; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:49:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87y3mww419.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:04:50 +0100") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:140298 Archived-At: Michael Heerdegen writes: > Daiki Ueno writes: > >> Use it at your own risk or blame someone else >> [...] >> I am almost done with this issue. > > If you say it makes no sense to document that stuff, I can't argue > against that. Sorry if you feel blamed (actually I didn't blame anyone) > - but if this is to be "used at own risk" and not worth or possible to > be documented decently, why has it been added to Emacs? We can remove the option too then. Personally, I am happy with the graphical prompt, because it's more secure than entering passwords through Emacs. I added it to Emacs just because I got too many complaints from others saying that Emacs integration of GnuPG password prompt is not user friendly, as if it is a crucial part. I don't think so, but for over a decade I have made every possible attempt to improve the situation, including pinentry.el, the loopback pinentry, pinentry-curses fallback, though there is still no single reliable option. If you want the feature with decent documentation, you should talk to and work with the GnuPG upstream and your distro rather than whining here.