From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:10:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87wpi2l9yp.fsf@Sam-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <83h98keben.fsf@gnu.org> <83vawt1zay.fsf@gnu.org> <81k2d7bvhh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1476807153 22285 195.159.176.226 (18 Oct 2016 16:12:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 16:12:33 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) Cc: naesten@gmail.com, 24520@debbugs.gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 18 18:12:29 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bwWzr-0002uD-Bk for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 18:12:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42551 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwWzt-00046H-Ee for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:12:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50641) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwWzi-00044X-SG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:12:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwWzh-0002xA-V2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:12:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:60308) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwWzh-0002x4-Ro for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:12:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bwWzh-0005zH-Jn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:12:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 16:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24520 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 24520-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24520.147680707422953 (code B ref 24520); Tue, 18 Oct 2016 16:12:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24520) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2016 16:11:14 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38265 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bwWyv-0005y9-SE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:11:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59171) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bwWyt-0005xw-RZ for 24520@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:11:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwWyn-0002O8-LF for 24520@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:11:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37519) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwWym-0002Mh-2n; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:11:04 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bwWyi-0006Ed-2W; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:11:00 -0400 X-Spook: Botnet insurgency Nationalist Palestine Liberation Front X-Ran: `}myLfeV9lJlUh>x1]MaSSZp:|^c>\RQ@i"%c':=uh X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:54:43 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:124638 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: > As for what to say on the binaries, there are three issues: > > * We don't have room to include a usual GPL notice, let > alone the GPL itself. > > * We don't want to permit modified versions without the requirements > of the GPL. Thus, the change in 2007 was not correct. > > * We need to reconcile this with the GPL. > > Perhaps what we need is (1) an additional permission saying that > reference cards printed, or formatted for printing, may be distributed > with the notice "Released under the terms of the GNU General Public > License version 3 or later" and a copyright notice, without the usual > GPL notice and without a copy of the GPL itself. > > What do you think of that? It seems odd to me to want to apply the GPL to the pdf refcards. My own take is that the "this is part of Emacs" GPL blurb in the tex source should be removed, for clarity. These are the printed refcards as sold by the FSF store. Karl's 2007 change was (I infer) to sync the source in Emacs with the printed, sold refcards, which have never mentioned the GPL (I assume, I can't find an image of them as-sold). His ChangeLog entry originally said: "updates for printing per johns", before he edited it. So I assume he made his changes for good reason.