bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember

bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember

[Jambunathan K]

James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> writes:

> (Even after more than a quarter-century of Emacs C-x [ and C-x ] are not
> integrated in to my muscle memory.)

I have the same issue.  I have been using Emacs for a decade or so.  

I find page motion to be really useful.

If I consider C-functions as a paragraph, then remembering 

    M-{         backward-paragraph
    M-}         forward-paragraph

for paragraph motions is no big deal.

May I suggest,

    M-[         backward-page
    M-]         forward-page

instead of the current

    C-x [       backward-page
    C-x ]       forward-page

bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember

[Andreas Schwab]

Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> writes:

>     M-[         backward-page

M-[ is already taken.

Andreas.

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bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember

[Jambunathan K]

Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> writes:

> Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>     M-[         backward-page
>
> M-[ is already taken.

by who?

> Andreas.

bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember

[Andreas Schwab]

Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> writes:

> Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> writes:
>
>> Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>>     M-[         backward-page
>>
>> M-[ is already taken.
>
> by who?

Function keys.

Andreas.

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bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember

[Jambunathan K]

Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> writes:

> Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> writes:
>>
>>> Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>     M-[         backward-page
>>>
>>> M-[ is already taken.
>>
>> by who?
>
> Function keys.

In Gtk Emacs, 

     M-[ C-h

reports nothing.

With emacs -nw, 

    ,----
    | ^L
    | Global Bindings Starting With M-[:
    | key             binding
    | ---             -------
    | 
    | ^L
    | Input decoding map translations Starting With M-[:
    | key             binding
    | ---             -------
    | 
    | M-[ 1           Prefix Command
    `----

So this M, ESC business is something that I would never understand.  I
am at my wits end for other "workable" solutions.  Having an exception
for `M- [' just for GUI Emacs would be unacceptable, I suppose.

>
> Andreas.

bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember

[James Cloos]

Since this stems from my comment on the list....

I didn't mean to imply that I do not remember where backward-page and
forward-page *are*, just that my fingers automatically start hitting
C-v to scroll down in buffers like *Help* before I have a chance to
consider paging down.

A different binding wouldn't fix that.

And as Andreas notes, ESC [ is the start of many vt100/xterm-style
commands, including the octets sent by function keys.

-JimC
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bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember

[Jambunathan K]

OP here.  Closed.